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Craig Pratt: I would have thought that if the work is not done by the end of September it might be next year before the weather is good enough. As I said the work on Emley Moor is higher than the tallest building in London.
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Report this messageJay: The problem will be down to the transmitter work. If you have got good-quality rooftop aerial then you should just sit out the engineering work.
If you are using set-top or loft aerials, you would find that switching to a rooftop aerial will restore the service.
Nothing will be gained by "trying to retune".
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Report this messageI am basically really pissed off with the Work on the Emley Moor Transmitter. It has dragged on from April and shows signs that whoever is doing the work was ill prepared and incapable of completing the work on schedule. Even then what was the point of doing the work during the World Cup Months!!! I luckily have three Humax PVR's which are capable of "dragging" in the signal especially on my "OnDigital" aerial. The other boxes are now unusable. I Believe it's a company called "AlanDick" doing the work. Looks like they are living up to their name!
Posted by Jeremy Hunt (
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Report this messageI live in Barlborough (S43 4) and like everyone else, totally pissed off with non stop excuses for the poor engineers who can’t work in bad weather in case they catch a cold or whatever! I don’t care, wear a coat, tie yourselves to the sodding mast but just get the job done! All I want is the service I’m paying for! Speaking of which, I trust whoever negotiated the contract with this useless bunch put in a suitable clause to claw back payment for timescale overruns. The AlanDick Company (if that’s who they are) deserve to go out of business in my view.
Finally don’t try and give me advice on aerial upgrades, I’ve done it already.
Posted by Grant Franklin (
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Report this messagehalleluya i have mux 1(bbc 1-2-3)back! oops no i have not , yes i have, etc etc etc have kept a diary of these comings and goings,and last week thought we had all digital for good ,afraid not, oh dear!!!weather does not seem to matter- have all upgrades available,the best of everthing. Still hopeing for a constant digitial picture form the s35 area
PS Briantist i will buy you a pint if you can sort this out Mervo
Posted by mervo (
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Report this messageDoes Arqiva not own a spare mast? If so why wasn't it deployed as a temporary replacement if they knew the work would take this long.
The BBC/IBA wouldn't have let these coverage problems go on for this long from a repeater station never mind Emley Moor main transmitting station.
Posted by Don Bowman (
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Report this messageI live in Bramham (LS23 6RJ), south of Wetherby. Having read some of the posts, and some of them saying "I can see a Emley Moor Mast," and still having reception problems? I have an 12 foot mast with the aerial on top, with an aerial amplifier in the loft. Since the work started up at Emley Moor I have been able to, most of the time view all of the digital channels, most of the time, except of course channel 39. But over this last weekend, I have been able to view the HD channels, well most of the time so maybe things will get back to normal ;-) I can understand your frustration, at not being able to have normal viewing, but I cannot see using some of the words is some of the postings is going to help anything. at the time I am writing this posting HD is not very good, let's hope things get back to normal before long!
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Report this messageUnfortunately I just want normal TV not even HD! The issue has been with us since April, and since nobody doing the actual work seems to care, some people obviously only have forums like this one to vent their frustration in the slight hope that someone is listening...
Posted by Phil Welbourn (
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Report this messageDon Bowman: Right. You're going to have a spare "tallest building in the land" lying around.
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Report this messagePhil Welbourn: To be fair, no one ever said that the service would "come back gradually". When the work is complete, the reserve transmitter will be turned off and the service restored to the pre-DSO levels.
I don't know how "listening" will make any notable changes to how the work is done.
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Report this messageNot bothered about it coming back gradually - just want it to come back. Its the lack of feedback/updates from UK Digital, Arqiva and the like that is the most frustrating aspect.
(map)Posted by Phil Welbourn (
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Report this messageBrianist,They managed to get one when the Original Mast came down! Why not plan ahead and have one on standby in case problems occur?
Posted by Jeremy Hunt (
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Report this messageMr Butterworth in 1969 a team of riggers removed, rebuilt and re-installed a main and reserve aerial on the 1000ft mast at Durris. They completely this task in 5 days having to climb the top 300ft of the structure with no ladders as they were iced over. Are you telling me that a large firm the size of Alan Dick can't do this work in less than 6 months? Perhaps BICC/ Balfour should have been brought in from the start to commission two sets of matched antennas with the aid of a very expensive helicopter. I'm stunned by your apparent ignorance and lack of detail on the subject.
Just for your information there is a spare mast in storage at the Daventry depot, it was known as the BBC's emergency mast and was in recent years deployed at Peterborough following a collapse.
Posted by Don Bowman (
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Report this messageDon Bowman: I have no idea what you are on about. Arqiva own the mast and they are also performing the upgrade work.
The mast that were "wheeled in" to provide service in 1969 only had to provide three analogue channels, and they did this at lower height and lower power until the new concrete mast was built.
The reserve antenna on the mast is already much higher up than a temporary mast would manage.
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Report this messagePhil Welbourn: What sort of updates do you want?
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Report this messageDon Bowman: There are details of the Emley Moor mast collapse on Wikipedia which you might find interesting. It is also worth remembering that in order to serve Sheffield a new relay was installed at Crosspool.Viewers wishing to receive ITV had to buy new aerials as the new transmitter was on C6 with horizontal polarisation. It was around 2 years before proper sevice was restored to some areas.
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Report this messageKMJ,Derby: BBC One was also broadcast on VHF C1 from Crosspool aka
Freeview on Sheffield TV transmitter | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
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Report this messageBriantist: I should have said "added to the existing BBC relay site at Crosspool" This site was also already used for VHF/FM then susequently had UHF tv and DAB radio added.
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Report this messageKMJ,Derby: Things were so much simpler in the VHF TV days. Apart from many people needing a TV aerial for each channel...
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Report this messageBriantist: Funny thing is no-one complained about buying another aerial for reception of each additional channel, likewise as each BBC local radio station came on air an additional FM aerial was required to receive the new service which was often low power and from a completely different direction.Not like today, if a required multiplex is out of band, transmitted from a different site or uses a different satellite there are howls of protest at the prospect of having to buy an aerial or dish in order to receive it.
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Report this messageHi - I've emailed a couple of times before but I wanted to flag up - in case you didn't know - that tonight about 9.30 we lost virtually all freeview digital and BBC2 analogue from Emley with no warning. So far I have rebooted (if that's what I mean) three times with no joy...lucky there's nothing on worth watching tonight. fingers crossed for tomorrow. any news on when this will all be over?
cheers
Penny (York)
(map)Posted by Penny H (
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Report this messageKMJ,Derby: I am a little critical of calling the whole process "digital switchover" because it sounds like someone comes along and presses a button.
Whereas it is actually a "digital upgrade" requiring about £1bn of civil engineering at 1,135 sites, with the "digital" part being only the driver.
How much better a system we could have had if we used new transmitter sites - if everyone had wideband aerials we could use SFNs and have SIX times the number of multiplexes - but that would have caused some inconvenience.
Whilst we are laying blame, Tessa Jowell deserves nil points for delaying the process by two years.
And it is also worth noting that the Digital Help Scheme has been under-subscribed because the target group LOVE Freeview and don't want to wait until switchover.
The 65+ group are, in 2009, 18% of the population, but are 23% of DTT-only homes.
from
Ofcom - The Communications Market 2010 [pdf].
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Report this messagePenny H: I can't see that anything specific happened last night. Can you please check the
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Report this messageI have just phoned Arqiva who are the company who are responsible for Emley Moor, to try and get a date from the horses mouth, so to speak, when the work will be completed.
I was told that it should be within the next 2 months. That makes it November!!
I live on the very edge of the Emley Moor range in Todmorden, West Yorkshire. Reception has all but gone and it has been like this for the last 6 months.
It's a joke. I suggest that you also give them a call and air you thoughts on the fiasco.
Posted by Bill Pilkington (
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Report this messageBriantist: The NIMBY brigade would never have stood for creating thousands of new sites. As it is a number of the sites are in Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty (e.g. Hannington, Rowridge), close to Sites of Special Scientific Interest (e.g. Rowridge) or in designated Green Belt in the local development plan (e.g. Oxford). Or, like Emley Moor, been Grade II listed.
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Report this messageMike Dimmick: Yes, I guess it would have taken longer to have the planning enquiries than it would to do the actual work.
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Report this messageBill Pilkington: I'm sure that they will be pleased to hear that the planned work they are doing to schedule is a "fiasco".
If you want TV today, Freesat is a very inexpensive option, and complements Freeview when you get that service back.
Freesat | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
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Report this messageBriantist: That's my point. If work was running to schedule, it would have been completed 2 months ago. If the work does indeed drag on until November, it will be 4 months later than the initial expected completeion date and for me, nearly a year with very little TV choice.
I live right on the edge of the range from Emley Moor, good reception went off last December when ITV and a lot of the other channels disapeared just before Christmas. It has just gone downhill from there.
Not to mention the Top Up TV subscription that has been wasted. Had I known anything about the work being carried out, I would have cancelled the monthly fee.
I know the work has to be done and problems will be encountered. But running 4 months late on what was planned to be a 3 months project does seem like a bit of a fiasco to me.
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Report this messagenew channel on channel 92 called adult section,for over 18 only.
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Report this messagenew channel on channel 92 called adult section,retune required,for over 18 only.
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Report this messageSo it's September when the work is complete......That'll be September 2011. Should've got a German firm in.....work would have been completed on time.
Posted by Craig Pratt (
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EMLEY MOOR transmitter - Freeview BBC Digital TV (Four, Cbeebies, Parliament, 3... Weak Signal; DSO related from 00:00 yesterday Analogue BBC ONE Weak Signal; DSO related from 00:00 yesterday [BBC] ey Moor Transmitter Works: Digital UK has been informed by the transmission company upgrading the Emley Moor transmitter that engineering work in preparation for digital switchover is now expected to continue into September. Viewers with marginal reception may experience difficulties receiving some channels. While all efforts are being made to give accurate information on engineering works affecting transmitters, timescales may change as a result of poor weather conditions and complex engineering issues. Digital UK regrets any inconvenience caused. [DUK] Over the next week Emley Moor main transmitter: TV (analogue) Possible weak signal, TV (digital) Possible weak signal, Radio (analogue) working normally, Radio (digital) working normally. [DUK]
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Report this messageAt what point does someone take responsibility for this overshoot of the work which was originally scheduled to be completed in June?
I'm sure the mantra from the contractor is...... Shutup moaning and just pay your TV licence.
I predict this work will continue into 2011.
Posted by Freddie (
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Report this messagearqiva put the engineers on double pay and the work at emley moor transmitter will be done quickly.
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