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Winter Hill transmitter: (Google Earth) (Live Maps) (Google maps) GPS: 53.625,-2.51554WINTER HILL transmitter - Over the next week Winter Hill main transmitter: TV (digital) Liable to interruption, Radio (analogue) working normally, Radio (digital) Possible weak signal. 
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The symbol shows the location of the Winter Hill transmitter. The Winter Hill transmitter covers 2,690,000 homes.
Freeview on Winter Hill requires aerial group/position C/DH, transmitter ERP 9166W, at 704m - WINTER HILL transmitter - Over the next week Winter Hill main transmitter: TV (digital) Liable to interruption, Radio (analogue) working normally, Radio (digital) Possible weak signal. [DUK]
The yellow area has the strongest signal from this transmitter, green areas are served by stronger signals from other transmitters, white shows low signal areas. See Overlap Map Key for details.
You may not be able to receive all the Freeview channels
Some channels on the Winter Hill transmitter have lower transmission power so you may receive only some of them.
Your cables, connectors and aerial may need upgrading to get all the Freeview channels.
If you are missing your electronic programme guide (EPG), your channel line-up is wrong or incomplete, you have no subtitles or the 'press red' services do not work, please try this reset procedure first.
Mux is an abbreviation of multiplex. The Effective power level takes into account the transmission mode - and does not indicate a fault condition.
To receive Freeview from the Winter Hill transmitter you will require an aerial of group C/D positioned horizontally. This transmitter is 704 metres above sea-level, and transmits at 9,166 watts.
Full list of Freeview transmitters.
Digital switchover process details
Digital switchover happens over a number of weeks, this is to allow people in areas who where unable to use Freeview before switchover time to purchase equipment before the analogue service is terminated.Wednesday 4th November 2009
BBC TWO C62 closes. PSB1 starts on C62.Wednesday 2nd December 2009
BBC One C55 closes. ITV-1 C59 closes. Channel 4 C65 closes. FIVE C48 closes. Mux 1 C56 closes. Mux 2 C66 closes. Mux A C68 closes. Mux B C67 closes. Mux C C60 closes. Mux D C63 closes.Freeview power increases from 10,000 W to 73,357 W, 7 times stronger.
PSB2 starts on C59. COM4 starts on C58. PSB3 starts on C54. COM5 starts on C61. COM6 starts on C55. NEW8 starts on C56. MEN starts on C57. NEW9 starts on C60.
See also Winter Hill transmitter - analogue shutdown schedule.
Transmission frequencies
Before Sunday 15th November 1998
| C48 | C55 | C59 | C62 | C65 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| FIVE | BBC One | ITV1 | BBC TWO | C4 |
Sunday 15th November 1998 to Wednesday 4th November 2009
| C48 | C55 | C56+ | C59 | C60+ | C62 | C63+ | C65 | C66+ | C67+ | C68+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FIVE | BBC One | Mux 1 | ITV1 | Mux C | BBC TWO | Mux D | C4 | Mux 2 | Mux B | Mux A |
After Wednesday 2nd December 2009¶
| C54- | C55 | C56 | C57 | C58 | C59 | C60 | C61- | C62- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mux BBCB | Mux ArqB | Mux NEW8 | Mux MEN | Mux SDN | Mux D3+4 | Mux NEW9 | Mux ArqA | Mux BBCA |
Colour bands denote aerial groups: Red:A Yellow:B Green:C/D Brown:E Grey:K Black:Wideband
Notes
'Out of group' frequencies are marked with a star. Analogue power output 500,000 Watts, post switchover average digital multiplex output will be 57,056 Watts.To receive signals from this transmitter, the aerial must be mounted for horizontal polarization - the elements going from left to right.
Before switchover, the public service broadcasting multiplexes were 1, 2 and B; afterwards they were first PSB1, 2 and 3 but now called BBCA, D3+4 and BBCB. The commercial multiplexes A, C and D had initial post-switchover names COM4, 5 and 6; now they are SDN, ArqA and ArqB. At switchover BBCA, ArqA and ArqB will switch from 16QAM to 64QAM mode transmission, so five multiplexes will transmit in the 64QAM (2/3) 8k mode. BBCB is used for Freeview HD (DVB-T2, 256QAM), and has a pre-switchover service on selected main transmitters.
After switchover an existing group C/D aerial will provide all digital TV services.
itv1 - Winter Hill transmitter area*
| Date | Incumbent ITV company |
|---|---|
| 3rd May 1956 to July 1968 | Granada Television (weekdays only) |
| 5th May 1956 to July 1968 | Associated British Corporation (weekends) |
| July 1968 to date | Granada Television |
| 1st Feb 1983 to 31st Dec 1992 | TV-am (breakfast) |
| 1st Jan 1993 to date | GMTV (breakfast) |
| Note | For digital switchover this region is now known as Granada. |
405-line VHF black and white TV
From the Winter Hill transmitter, BBC One was broadcast on VHF C12. ITV was broadcast on VHF C9. In the United Kingdom, 405-line television was used from 1936-39 and 1946 until 1982-85.<< 24-Oct-06 < Previous 4-Feb-09
WINTER HILL transmitter - Over the next week Winter Hill main transmitter: TV (digital) Liable to interruption, Radio (analogue) working normally, Radio (digital) working normally. [DUK] 
WINTER HILL transmitter - Over the next week Winter Hill main transmitter: TV (digital) Liable to interruption, Radio (analogue) working normally, Radio (digital) Possible weak signal. [DUK]
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on friday DAVE was telling you needed to re-tune your freeview boxes .
i done mine + hove now lost a load of channels + everything has gone welsh.
i lost granada + c4 this has now changed to itv wales + s4c.
i am right on welsh border + would like my english channel back.
this has happend also on week of change over i re-tuned my box + everythin was almost almost right (just had bbc wales as main bbc) but all other channels were correct
i done mine + hove now lost a load of channels + everything has gone welsh.
i lost granada + c4 this has now changed to itv wales + s4c.
i am right on welsh border + would like my english channel back.
this has happend also on week of change over i re-tuned my box + everythin was almost almost right (just had bbc wales as main bbc) but all other channels were correct
Posted by stuart clarke (1 post) on Sunday 4 July 2010 2:16PM 
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stuart clarke: By far the best way of finding the correct channels in overlap areas is to do a manual tune for each of the required muxes.For Winter Hill these are C62-,C59,C58,C61- and C55. If you do not have a manual tuning facility do a scan with the aerial unplugged to clear the channel list, then begin a second scan with the aerial unplugged,reinserting the aerial plug at around C53.If the Wales signals are from Moel-Y-Parc these will have been left out of the scan.(this does not work if Storeton Wales is the signal source) A few freeview boxes allow the viewer to select their prefered region.
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Hi Stuart,
What does the - sign after the CH number mean? I'm having difficulty obtaining a good signal quality on CH61/62 on my setup in the IOM, the other channels seem fine?
What does the - sign after the CH number mean? I'm having difficulty obtaining a good signal quality on CH61/62 on my setup in the IOM, the other channels seem fine?
Posted by Rob (5 posts) on Monday 5 July 2010 3:11PM
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Rob: the - indicates that the transmission is offset 166kHz below the 'proper' frequency for this channel number. Your box should be able to work this out for itself, but if not, try 801833 kHz (or 801834) rather than 802000.
There are some boxes made by Vestel (rebranded as various others) that had trouble with negative offsets in 8k mode, with their original software:
http://help.digitaluk.co.uk/display/4/kb/article.aspx?aid=6911
The ArqB mux on C62 is currently on very low power until sometime next year, so you may have difficulty receiving it simply due to distance. (map)
There are some boxes made by Vestel (rebranded as various others) that had trouble with negative offsets in 8k mode, with their original software:
http://help.digitaluk.co.uk/display/4/kb/article.aspx?aid=6911
The ArqB mux on C62 is currently on very low power until sometime next year, so you may have difficulty receiving it simply due to distance. (map)
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My parents live in the Winter Hill region and have a HD TV with a digital tuner (LG LH3000), however the Auto set-up feature doesn't seem to pick up the HD channels. Can anyone offer a suggestion as to how to resolve this?
Posted by Dave (3 posts) on Tuesday 6 July 2010 8:44AM
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Dave - your parents LG LH3000 maybe HD ready - but it is not a Freeview HD receiver as far as I can tell - you need a separate set top box that is Freeview HD capable or a TV that itself has an integral Freeview HD receiver inbuilt to receive HD Freeview via rooftop AERIAL.
If your parents had a separate set top box that is Freesat HD capable - this would need a satellite dish to pick up th relevant signal (not a rooftop AERIAL)- their tv would pick up HD via this route
The whole scenario is confusing to say the least to people who are non tecchie - and even for the tecchies it can get confusing
If your parents had a separate set top box that is Freesat HD capable - this would need a satellite dish to pick up th relevant signal (not a rooftop AERIAL)- their tv would pick up HD via this route
The whole scenario is confusing to say the least to people who are non tecchie - and even for the tecchies it can get confusing
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Hi Mike and thanks for your reply. According to the Owners manual, the TV has a HD receiver.
QUOTE:
HD RECEIVER SETUP
■ This TV can receive Digital RF/Cable signals without an external digital set-top box. However, if you do receive
Digital signals from a digital set-top box or other digital external device, refer to the diagram as shown below.
UNQUOTE
QUOTE:
HD RECEIVER SETUP
■ This TV can receive Digital RF/Cable signals without an external digital set-top box. However, if you do receive
Digital signals from a digital set-top box or other digital external device, refer to the diagram as shown below.
UNQUOTE
Posted by Dave (3 posts) on Tuesday 6 July 2010 4:20PM
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Dave - it says it receives digital signals = Freeview - that is normal 'digital' - this is not the same as HD. Your tv may be capable of receiving HD signals - but it has to be from a box capable of receiving HD signals. HD signals need to be received by a tv or set top box enabled to receive specifically FREEVIEW HD (these have only just come onto the market) or a FREESAT HD enabled tv - this latter via a satellite dish (map)
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Hi Mike,
Thanks, yes, I understand the distinction, however the quoted paragraph is headed "HD Receiver set-up", so I believe it is capable of receiving a Freeview HD signal - it was certainly advertised as such. I'm in the process of contacting LG to confirm this.
Thanks, yes, I understand the distinction, however the quoted paragraph is headed "HD Receiver set-up", so I believe it is capable of receiving a Freeview HD signal - it was certainly advertised as such. I'm in the process of contacting LG to confirm this.
Posted by Dave (3 posts) on Wednesday 7 July 2010 4:12PM
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I am getting a terrible echoing on ITV adverts.
This happens when AD (audio description) is on.
It happens on two tv's with different freeview access.
Does anyone have a solution other than turning off AD which makes the whole point of having AD useless as I am blind.
This happens when AD (audio description) is on.
It happens on two tv's with different freeview access.
Does anyone have a solution other than turning off AD which makes the whole point of having AD useless as I am blind.
Posted by John (1 post) on Thursday 8 July 2010 9:20AM
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One of the Multiplexes seems to be doing something weird. We went digital some time ago, not had any problems, then last week the multiplex that broadcasts e.g Daveja Vu & Virgin 1+1 stopped showing pictures or sound. My equipment shows signal strength of 70-80% and doesn't show "no audio/video" as it does when there is no signal or the station is offline. Any ideas?
Posted by Dave W (12 posts) on Friday 9 July 2010 1:37AM
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all channels on mux D very low and constantly pixelated which I notice is running very low from Winter Hill does this have anything to do with Arqiva B operating at 12.5kW until 2011 will this be corrected and have to wait till after this date to receive all channels (map)
Posted by Linda Grimshaw (1 post) on Friday 9 July 2010 5:59PM
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This web site says that Winter Hill has no reported problems.
However, after a period when the BBC signals on PSB1 were the most reliable, just recently we have found that in bad weather it is these BBC channels which drop out whilst the rest remain OK.
Does anyone know if in fact they are transmitting at a lower wattage at the moment or if they have made any other changes to transmission from this MUX recently
However, after a period when the BBC signals on PSB1 were the most reliable, just recently we have found that in bad weather it is these BBC channels which drop out whilst the rest remain OK.
Does anyone know if in fact they are transmitting at a lower wattage at the moment or if they have made any other changes to transmission from this MUX recently
Posted by Peter Simpson (1 post) on Wednesday 14 July 2010 7:40PM
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MikeC I had exactly the same problem on JUST Channel 4+1 a few weeks ago but only on one of my boxes, the other box was fine, how strange. All is well again now ? (map)
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Regarding ITV regional variations, I'm not so sure Brian, ITV1 apart from perhaps ITV1 Scottish & ITV1 Ulster has tended to show the same programmes at the same time for quite some number of years now, with very little regional variation (even in Wales).
The regions even have the same continuity announcer these days. Only the local news opt outs seem to differ from the mainstream ITV1 programming and the adverts of course.
I notice that at their Quay St entrance in Manchester GRANADA TV have replaced their sign with ITV and the name ITV Productions over-writes all the old end credits on ITV1. No Thames, ATV, Carlton, Central, HTV, Granada, LWT & Yorkshire signs any more apart from the odd old "London Weekend" on ITV3 at the end of "On The Buses", which they've missed. Can't wait for the tram crash in Coronation Street in December 2010 and the character death(s), will they crash one of the new real Metrolink trams or one of the old ones ? Will ITV Productions pay GMPTE compensation for wrecking one of their fleet on the Street (near the Kabin, apparently). OR WILL THEY CHICKEN OUT AND USE COMPUTER GENERATED GRAPHICS !! Best storyline since the coach crash in the 60's and Ken's wife's plug accident !!
The regions even have the same continuity announcer these days. Only the local news opt outs seem to differ from the mainstream ITV1 programming and the adverts of course.
I notice that at their Quay St entrance in Manchester GRANADA TV have replaced their sign with ITV and the name ITV Productions over-writes all the old end credits on ITV1. No Thames, ATV, Carlton, Central, HTV, Granada, LWT & Yorkshire signs any more apart from the odd old "London Weekend" on ITV3 at the end of "On The Buses", which they've missed. Can't wait for the tram crash in Coronation Street in December 2010 and the character death(s), will they crash one of the new real Metrolink trams or one of the old ones ? Will ITV Productions pay GMPTE compensation for wrecking one of their fleet on the Street (near the Kabin, apparently). OR WILL THEY CHICKEN OUT AND USE COMPUTER GENERATED GRAPHICS !! Best storyline since the coach crash in the 60's and Ken's wife's plug accident !!
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I'm near Chester and finding watching our Panasonic Plasma hopeless - picture goes completely sometimes as the signal quality indicator drops right off.
Yet watching through a BT Vison bax is absolutely fine. Surprising they're so different. (map)
Yet watching through a BT Vison bax is absolutely fine. Surprising they're so different. (map)
Posted by Rory (2 posts) on Monday 19 July 2010 9:15PM, 6 days ago.
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Hi Rory Check Channel numbers for Winter Hill, Could be tuned in to Wrekin or Moel y Parc Transmitters. (map)
Posted by andy (7 posts) on Tuesday 20 July 2010 7:43PM, 5 days ago. 
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Rory: Please see Digital Region Overlap | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
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Channel 25 still showing as signal strength 70+% but no audio or video. Is anybody else experiencing this?
Posted by Dave W (1 post) on Sunday 25 July 2010 2:24PM, 2 days ago.
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Dave W: The channel has switched multiplexes, so you might need to do this - My Freeview box has no EPG, is blank on FIVE, ITV3, ITV4, ITV2+1, has no sound or the channel line up is wrong | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice to get it back on 25.
Otherwise it might be on 825 or another 800-899 channel.
Otherwise it might be on 825 or another 800-899 channel.
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On wednesday afternoon 21/07/10 i scanned UHF CH 57 and received channel M/jml perfectly but later that day they had gone.
I know that my location (4 miles south of wigan)that i am not supposed to receive it here and i have not received it since.
I am thinking that maybe the works that are occurring at moment might have something to do with it.
andy (map)
I know that my location (4 miles south of wigan)that i am not supposed to receive it here and i have not received it since.
I am thinking that maybe the works that are occurring at moment might have something to do with it.
andy (map)
Posted by andy (10 posts) on Sunday 25 July 2010 7:56PM, 2 days ago.
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andy: I would have thought that What is the Inversion Effect and why does it effect my Freeview TV reception?
| ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice is probably the most likely explanation.
| ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice is probably the most likely explanation.
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That has been suggested to me but i am 11 miles from winter hill and being a tv dxer for the past 30 years i know about tropo effects.
The signal was stable at 46%/quality 100%and i had it on for an hour and i put it off.
I can't see it being anything to do with tropo at that distance. (map)
The signal was stable at 46%/quality 100%and i had it on for an hour and i put it off.
I can't see it being anything to do with tropo at that distance. (map)
Posted by andy (10 posts) on Sunday 25 July 2010 9:59PM, 2 days ago.
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andy: It does seem odd, in particular because the broadcasts are on an "interleaved frequency" which must have the levels reduced in many directions to ensure that the multiplex can fit in the gap in the digital transmitter plan.
Did this only happen the one time?
Did this only happen the one time?
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Yes brian just that once.
My boxes which i have quite a few different models when auto tuning has never received channelM before but i now manually tune boxes now because of the welsh problem so i have not looked for till last wednesday.
andy
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My boxes which i have quite a few different models when auto tuning has never received channelM before but i now manually tune boxes now because of the welsh problem so i have not looked for till last wednesday.
andy
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Posted by andy (10 posts) on Monday 26 July 2010 8:09PM, 1 days ago.
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Andy, Briantist - Thanks, I'm definitely getting BBC on Ch62 so that's OK.
I guess the tuner in the BTVision box must be more robust than that in the Panasonic TV. A neighbour was complaining his Panasonic TV is struggling with the reduced signal quality too. (map)
I guess the tuner in the BTVision box must be more robust than that in the Panasonic TV. A neighbour was complaining his Panasonic TV is struggling with the reduced signal quality too. (map)
Posted by Rory (2 posts) on Monday 26 July 2010 8:57PM, 1 days ago.
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Rory: It is often the case that the "branded" Freeview devices are less able to deal with the low signal situations than the less well known makes.
I'm quite impressed that BT have managed to source some quite decent kit for their service - they will do the MPEG4 over DVB-T so they will also work with the French and Irish services.
I'm quite impressed that BT have managed to source some quite decent kit for their service - they will do the MPEG4 over DVB-T so they will also work with the French and Irish services.
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I was wondering if Winter Hill was the only transmitter in the Winter Hill transmitter group that lights up at night to warn air traffic?
I am able to see out for many miles in a North (0 deg)-North Easterly(45 deg) direction and can see two transmitters with multiple lights that both illuminate at night. One of them I'm sure is Winter Hill going by the height of it. The other one looks smaller and closer though slightly further North-East to Winter Hill.
Any idea if I am definitely seeing Winter Hill and as to what the other one might be? Could it be some other structure and not a transmitter?
Hope you are able to find out for me.
Thanks. (map)
I am able to see out for many miles in a North (0 deg)-North Easterly(45 deg) direction and can see two transmitters with multiple lights that both illuminate at night. One of them I'm sure is Winter Hill going by the height of it. The other one looks smaller and closer though slightly further North-East to Winter Hill.
Any idea if I am definitely seeing Winter Hill and as to what the other one might be? Could it be some other structure and not a transmitter?
Hope you are able to find out for me.
Thanks. (map)
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Could be Moel y Parc. (map)
Posted by andy (7 posts) on Tuesday 27 July 2010 7:15PM, 1 days ago.
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Andy,
Moel y Parc is out of line of sight from me. I don't receive any signal from MyP whatsoever so it's definitely not that.
MyP is 316° from my location. I can only see from about 0°+ moving Easterly. Winter Hill is 30°. This other transmitter appears to be more than 30°. Any idea what it could be?
For those of you who are trying to work out what the mast might be, I live in Brymbo, Wrexham. My location according to this website says I am 169m above sea level. (map)
Moel y Parc is out of line of sight from me. I don't receive any signal from MyP whatsoever so it's definitely not that.
MyP is 316° from my location. I can only see from about 0°+ moving Easterly. Winter Hill is 30°. This other transmitter appears to be more than 30°. Any idea what it could be?
For those of you who are trying to work out what the mast might be, I live in Brymbo, Wrexham. My location according to this website says I am 169m above sea level. (map)
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Hi stuart i think the transmitter you can see is WREXHAM RHOS and WINTER HILL in the distance.
Have a look at the link below.
mb21 - The Transmission Gallery .
andy (NP132HX)
Have a look at the link below.
mb21 - The Transmission Gallery .
andy (NP132HX)
Posted by andy (10 posts) on Wednesday 28 July 2010 11:44AM, 20 hours ago.
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Andy,
It's definitely not Wrexham-Rhos either.
Wrexham-Rhos is a mere 0.7 miles away and it's hidden behind my field of view from my window. I can see that clearly every day I walk out of my home and return home. This other transmitter (if it is a transmitter) illuminates with red lights at night.
It is many miles away either in Merseyside, Cheshire or Greater Manchester but somewhere more easterly than 30° yet closer to me than Winter Hill. I even wondered if it's some sort of communication tower for Manchester Airport? If not, then something else roughly somewhere in that direction.
Any other ideas? (map)
It's definitely not Wrexham-Rhos either.
Wrexham-Rhos is a mere 0.7 miles away and it's hidden behind my field of view from my window. I can see that clearly every day I walk out of my home and return home. This other transmitter (if it is a transmitter) illuminates with red lights at night.
It is many miles away either in Merseyside, Cheshire or Greater Manchester but somewhere more easterly than 30° yet closer to me than Winter Hill. I even wondered if it's some sort of communication tower for Manchester Airport? If not, then something else roughly somewhere in that direction.
Any other ideas? (map)
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Andy, another thing.
If you click on the link yourself for mb21 - The Transmission Gallery and see the pictures of Wrexham-Rhos, you will see my name as one of the contributors to the transmitter pictures of Wrexham-Rhos. (map)
If you click on the link yourself for mb21 - The Transmission Gallery and see the pictures of Wrexham-Rhos, you will see my name as one of the contributors to the transmitter pictures of Wrexham-Rhos. (map)
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Stuart it might be Holme Moss radio Transmitter (map)
Posted by andy (7 posts) on Wednesday 28 July 2010 8:19PM, 15 hours ago.
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Sunley Building - BBC DAB or Moorside Edge...
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Stuart Owens: There are two TV transmitters in that range. One is to the left Moss Bank digital TV transmitter | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice and the other to the right is Elton digital TV transmitter | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
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All of which don't have AWL's...
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Jordy: I meant to add to the diagram that Holme Moss is in the same direction as Hulme.
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This might be wrong but there is fiddlers ferry power station which has a chimney with red lights.
I can see it on the horizon from my home.
andy (map)
I can see it on the horizon from my home.
andy (map)
Posted by andy (10 posts) on Wednesday 28 July 2010 10:05PM, 14 hours ago.
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andy: That at Widnes, which is the right direction.
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I'd go a wager - It's the City Tower (Sunley Building) home to BBC DAB, Galaxy and the 2.5ghz link for Granada...
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Stuart try looking in daylight with binoculars if you see a chimney with eight towers then it is Fiddlers ferry Power station (map)
Posted by andy (7 posts) on Wednesday 28 July 2010 10:33PM, 14 hours ago.
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I'm presuming AWL is some reference to the lights on such tall structures as transmitter masts and chimneys to warn air traffic?
Therefore, any transmitters that people have listed that are just small relay transmitters which aren't fitted with the red warning lights that are West of Winter Hill or out of my field of view obviously don't fit the bill.
This other set of lights I am seeing, like I have said twice already is definitely closer to me than Winter Hill. Although my reception from Holme Moss is very clear, I doubt I could see that masts' lights (71 miles away) as clear as what I am seeing these other lights.
Coming to think about it, on a clear day, it does look like I can see a power station with its towers that does look like it's in the direction of Runcorn-Warrington. When I have travelled on the M56, I can see what I think is an oil refinery around Runcorn so I wondered if there may be an illuminated tower there so if there is one, I reckon it could be either that or the Fiddlers Ferry power station suggested earlier. (map)
Therefore, any transmitters that people have listed that are just small relay transmitters which aren't fitted with the red warning lights that are West of Winter Hill or out of my field of view obviously don't fit the bill.
This other set of lights I am seeing, like I have said twice already is definitely closer to me than Winter Hill. Although my reception from Holme Moss is very clear, I doubt I could see that masts' lights (71 miles away) as clear as what I am seeing these other lights.
Coming to think about it, on a clear day, it does look like I can see a power station with its towers that does look like it's in the direction of Runcorn-Warrington. When I have travelled on the M56, I can see what I think is an oil refinery around Runcorn so I wondered if there may be an illuminated tower there so if there is one, I reckon it could be either that or the Fiddlers Ferry power station suggested earlier. (map)
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Stuart Owens: AWL=Aircraft Warning Lights. Holme Moss is closer to you than Winter Hill.
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Anybody know when work on Winter Hill finishes? (map)
Posted by Grahame (1 post) on Thursday 29 July 2010 3:58PM, 3 hours ago.
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Briantist:
I still say that in terms of distance through air, Winter Hill is closer to me than Holme Moss.
I have confirmed this by using an AA road map and ruler and worked out from the scale that Winter Hill is 45 miles away (69 miles shortest route by road) and Holme Moss is 59 miles away (73 miles shortest route by road). (map)
I still say that in terms of distance through air, Winter Hill is closer to me than Holme Moss.
I have confirmed this by using an AA road map and ruler and worked out from the scale that Winter Hill is 45 miles away (69 miles shortest route by road) and Holme Moss is 59 miles away (73 miles shortest route by road). (map)
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