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How do I know if the 4G broadband will overload my Freeview?
During 2013, some of the frequencies that were used for television before the Digital Switchover will be auctioned off and used to provide 4th generation (4G) mobile broadband. Many homes will need to fit a filter, and a small few will have to switch (for free) to Freesat. Knowing in advance where these homes are is a complicated matter.
Since then, the television Digital Switchover has been finished and 4th generation (4G) mobile broadband services - also known as Long Term Evoluition ( LTE) have launched all over the world, including a service from Everything Everywhere (EE) in the UK.
To understand why and how these 4G broadband services will cause problems during 2013, you need to take into consideration a number of technical factors.
Understanding the radio spectrum
The Radio spectrum is the name given to the frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum that can be usefully used to transmit radio, television and data services.
The top bar on the diagram below (or download) shows a selection of the services used in the UK, with old-fashioned long-wave radio, then medium-wave radio, though FM radio, the digitalDAB radio services up to those used for television broadcasting. (See here for a really complex chart).
The highest frequencies on the diagram, the "ultra high frequencies" (or UHF) band is shown enlarged as the lower purple bar. In this range we can see TV "channelsC21 to C60" (blue), second- and third- generation mobile phones ( 2G orange, 3G pink) and the location for the 4G services.
It is important to note that some of the 2G capacity in the "1800MHz" range has already been converted to 4G operation by Everything Everywhere (EE). The other two yellow boxes show the "800MHz" (to the left) "2.6GHz" (on the right).
The problem that has to be solved as the 4G services launch, is that the new mobile broadband signals can cause overloads onto the frequencies that are being used for Freeview.
One particular problem is that a very common type of Freeview signal decoder, a superheterodyne receivers are sensitive to signals being present nine channels (72MHz) away.
In addition to overloads, 4G may also cause Signal-Interference Noise Ratio degradation, where reception breaks down because the receiver can no longer decode the digital information in the transmission.
Knowing who will win the 4G auction
4G auction takes place, no one will know which company has the right to use the 800MHz channels for mobile devices. The following companies have qualified to bid:
Everything Everywhere Limited (UK)
HKT (UK) Company Limited (a subsidiary of PCCW Limited)
Hutchison 3G UK Limited
MLL Telecom Ltd
Niche Spectrum Ventures Limited (a subsidiary of BT Group plc)
Telefonica UK Limited
Viewing high power television and using low power mobiles
This illustrates two points. Firstly, that Freeview broadcasts are high powered and one-to-many - mobile devices are low power and peer-to-peer. The mast your TV signal comes from may be miles, sometimes tens or miles away, for your mobile perhaps only meters away.
The second point is that if an existing 2G/3G mobile supplier wins a 800MHz 4G slot, they will wish to use their existing "phone mast" locations (especially the 900MHz ones) as this would be most economical for them. Until the action winners emerge, and then plan their network, only idle speculation about possible interference can be made.
Using the TV frequencies for 4G masts and phones
Research (see here) shows that a 4G mast in relative close proximity, or a mobile 4G handset closer than a meter to an unfiltered Freeview box will cause overloading on many tested devices. The following diagram shows the relationship between the 4G use and the old TV channel designations.
Once the proposed mast locations for 4G services are known, it will then be possible to predict which homes will need to fit the special filters in areas where Freeview uses the higher channel numbers (the C52 to C60 range).
If you then have a rooftop aerial without a signal amplifier, to get an overload you will need the 4G mast to be in the line-of-sight between your Freeview transmitter and the aerial, or possibly "directly behind" the aerial.
If you then have a rooftop aerial and an amplifier, or perhaps have lower-grade cables, you are likely to need to protect from a 4G overload if the phone mast is close to your rooftop aerial.
Finding transmitters that use the higher range frequencies
Protecting Freeview boxes and sets, cables, amplifiers from 4G devices
Again in areas where Freeview uses the higher channel numbers (C52 and above) you may have to protect your Freeview devices from signals from a 4G handset (such as mobile phone, tablet, or USB "dongle").
This may, once again, require the fitting of a special filter, or the upgrading of the "fly leads" used to connect your aerial to the set top box or TV. This may be a particular problem if you have used an indoor aerial or signal amplifier.
Is there not a communal aerial system that you can use?
I write as a technical bod rather than an expert in RF signals.
However, being high up there are fewer obstructions, if any, between you and any 800MHz 4G test base stations. Thus the signal is more likely to get to you than at, or near, ground level.
My point, therefore, is that whilst one particular "area" may be a bit outside of where they would expect signals to be an issue, the higher you go, the less clutter (objects) and therefore the greater the chance of signals being available (as the ground clutter acts to block or reduce signals).
So when defining "area", I wonder if they take into account exceptional dwellings, that are at quite a height.
All that said, the TV signal will be very strong. I assume that you can see the Crystal Palace transmitting tower from where the aerial is sited. For this there will be absolutely no requirement for any amplification.
Tony: The services you mention as having interference problems are on C26 and C28, which are not frequencies suggested to be most at risk from 4G signal interference. It is possibly worth looking for more usual causes, say an RF modulator on a VCR or Skybox set around C27. Also if you have an HDMI cable or fly leads linking various pieces of equipment, try repositioning them in relation to the receiver to rule out any interaction between them.
We have not been able to receive any BBC and other channels since 10th April. We have tried retuning our TalkTalk youviewbox several times. We do not have any other equipment linked to the receiver. TalkTalk have been unable to identify the problem so far.
Cecilia Jones: If either you are using a communal aerial system or two aerials combined on different transmitters, you may have difficulty.
Communal aerial systems may need adjustment to allow through the new frequencies for PSB1 (BBC standard definition) and COM5 (Pick TV etc).
On your road there are a number of houses with an aerial on Winter Hill (North West) and one on Moel-y-Parc (Wales). This combination may now not be feasible owing to the new lower frequencies of PSB1 and COM5 from Winter Hill.
Cecilia Jones: You appear not to be in a good signal area owing to the fact that the signal path is low to the ground for two miles because of the slope upwards. It is also obstructed by the ground in at least two places. There are lots of trees on the slope as well as buildings such as the High School.
The other clue are the large aerials on Winter Hill in your locality. There is something on the pole that your aerial is mounted on; a mast-head amp perhaps?
Do you have another receiver such as that in-built into the TV that you can try?
Cecilia Jones: In addition to that said, if your problem is being caused as a result of the frequency change on April 10th which now requires your aerial system to receive lower frequencies then you can test this out if your You-View box has a manual tuning facility.
If it has then go into the tuning menu / manual tune and enter Ch50 (Winter Hills BBC) into the box but do NOT press search or scan, because if the signal is there its level should be seen on the indicator bar, make a note of the level being indicated (if) then change the channel entered to Ch59 (Winter Hills ITV1) likewise noting its level, if the BBC's level is found to be considerably lower than ITV's then the problem is indeed caused by a deficiency in the aerial system, as the signal from the BBC will be sitting under the level required for your You-View box to resolve a picture.
By the way, if the aerial is exclusively yours and the difference in levels between the ITV and BBC aren't that terribly much, then in many cases the problem can be resolved by using a booster.
Cecilia Jones: Just noticed that I had cut off the bottom of my reply when I pasted it into the reply box.
The booster referred to being on page 603 of the Argos catalogue, and either (25) the SLX variable type 534/4235 or (24) the Philex 534 /6130 or if your TV is also Freeview capable then the twin output type 534 / 6147 one output for TV and the other for the You-View box.
Of course these items "only" coming into the equation dependant on the signal levels seen indicated and especially the quality of the signal, because if its observed to be fluctuating to any great degree (diving to zero) then boosters will not help in this situation.
The strangest thing - I have experienced absolutely no signal interference for the past few weeks. It stopped as abruptly as it began.
After experiencing months of misery of few or no channels, we are now back to the way we were - the weather conditions or my aerial apparently having nothing to do with the problems I was experiencing.
I am convinced the problem is external interference some how. I had students living next door to me for the duration of the problem (6 months) and they have now moved out - could their new gadgets have been affecting my signal somehow? If so, what can I do if this happens again?
Jo Dee: I would use a AM (MW or LW) radio powered from batteries. Tune it away from a station and listen for any noise.
If the interference starts at a particular time then have it on at the start (and end) time and see if the start and end of the noise on the radio coincides with the TV signal breaking up, that way you know you are listening to the cause.
AM radios have a ferrite rod in which act as the antenna. They are most sensitive in the axis perpendicular to their length. Hence, if you hold the radio with it facing you, when the sound is the loudest you know that it is coming from in front of, behind, above, or below you (or somewhere on that axis). Spin round to where it is at its quietest and the source of the noise must be from either end of the radio.
Jo Dee: Apart from the advice given by Dave Lindsay, as far as your question about whether their gadgets could interference or not, then yes that's very possible! because Freeview is vulnerable to interference from a variety of sources including modern electronic devices, and although the interference caused by them is not by any means far ranging and rapidly dies off by the metre, being next door virtually means that you are permanently within range.
I have had intermittent signal problems for a few months when the weather has been bad, but it was liveable with. At the beginning of the week I had no problems. I went away for a couple of days and came home to find that I had lost all BBC channels. This happened sometime between Tuesday night (because I recorded programmes) and Wednesday night. At this point ITV was fine. On Thursday I also lost ITV, and now I have nothing. I've tried re-tuning but still cannot get anything. My transmitter is Winter Hill.
Jo: if it occurs when the weather is bad there are a number of possible reasons , broken or damaged coax, rear reflector lose banging on aerial this would also cause a noise or a tree in line between you and the transmitter, the most likely is the coax faulty unplug the coax from your tv or set top box and look for rust.
Jo: if you need a good aerial man ring grax on 0161 747 2007 they aren't aerial riggers only a aerial supply company but they will steer you in the right direction of a good company being the bank holiday they are open on Tuesday
Hi, we live in Sandwich East Kent and pick up Freeview signals from the Dover transmiteer. Up until Sunday everything has been fine for years. The weather was great and no real high pressure issues which sometimes interferes. We did use an SLX2 boosterbox. But now the signal is very poor, with bit errors and heavy pixilation showing on our Samsung digital TV. My first thought was that the booster box had failed. Replaced it with no difference. My next thought was aerial or coax cabling. Had that all checked by aerial company today - all fine. Aerial is about 20 years old but has been working fine. Checked at800 re any new 4G interference - they came back straight away and said no problems/tests in our area. I checked the Dover transmitter online for faults and as yet nothing showing. I tried a good internal aerial and that gave almost an identical result. So it must be signal. Something is interfering with it. Any suggestions please?
I live in West Sussex (RH20) and pickup my signal from Midhurst I believe. Up to 00:10 on the 15th the signal was fine, yet today all 3 of my TV's (Sony, Toshiba and Samsung) are saying poor quality signal, but good strength??? I've re-tuned all of them, reset all the cables etc, but there's just not enough signal to produce a picture. To be honest the re-tune has lost all the BBC services and only picks up ITV, Channel 4/5, More 4, E4 etc.
Things had been working fine for years and I don't suspect any ariel issues, but going to check that out next.
I noticed thereâ€™s some work on an IOW transmitter at presentâ€¦ could I be tuned to that?
Normally if you have strength but no quality the distribution amplifier (if you have one) has failed. They can fail very quickly which fits in with what you describe above. If you don't have an amplifier then I would suggest waiting for the transmitter works to finish.
John you are correct the 868Mhz frequency is also used for short range transmitters. These are items like wireless alarm PIR's and remotes for electric gates etc. these are prone to interference, many customers have complained that their gates have opened without them pressing their remote. The 868Mhz frequency is approved for these devices.
We have a digital TV which until last week got all the Freeview channels. Now many of these channels are no longer available. ITV1, Channel 4, Channel 5 etc are now no longer recognised channels on our TV.
Adrian Preston: Plus in addition to that already said by Ian from notts, and being, that provided you have not already done so then do NOT carry out a retune as the programmes will most likely return of their own accord, as certain Southern areas of the UK are presently suffering from severe levels of interference due to the atmospheric conditions prevailing at this time.
If of course you have already carried out a retune then unfortunately this action will require to be repeated until you recover the missing programmes, but the info requested by Ian from notts is really essential in order to properly assess your situation.
I live in Anerley, London SE20 and my channels on freeview have all just gone. The channel header shows when I press the channel change but no picture comes up and then the header dissapears too. This happened from Late this Friday. I am down the road from the Crystal Palace TV transmitters. Is this a 800mhz problem?
During the last 3 months my tv signal has become impossible to use.
The 4g people say I am not in a 4G area.
I fitted an 800 MHz filter and there was an immediate improvement.
On the advice of Sony I have upgraded my booster to 20 dB and my reception is near perfect.
What has caused this unwarranted interference.
My postcode is RG29 1PH and I M tuned to Hannington..
Ian from notts Wednesday 25 September 2013 7:28AM Nottingham
Viv Gunton, I would assume if a filter helped a problem over 3 months old? A rogue signal has appeared ? simply could be a CB aerial has been put up? or an extensive alarm system set up locally?
If the advice from Sony to fit a 20db Amp to your system has work, I will assume you live in a poor signal area ?