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Changes to BBC HD transmissions on Astra satellites on 20 September 2012

In preparation for the launch of the Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland versions of BBC One HD, the BBC are making a small change to the way the transponder is configured.

In preparation for the launch of the Scotland, Wales, Northern
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About a year ago, the BBC upgraded the satellite transponder it uses for HD channels to the DVB-S2 standard (www.ukfree.tv link icon BBC HD to switch to DVB-S2 on 6th June ), and at the start of this year moved the transponders to a new satellite, Astra 1N (www.ukfree.tv link icon BBC satellite services moving to Astra 1N on 24th February).

Following this, the BBC is now going to make another change to the configuration, moving from QPSK to 8PSK modulation (from 4 to 8 Phase-shift keying), and a corresponding switch of the FEC (forward error correction) from 8/9 to 2/3.



This change will give a significant increase in the bitrate on the transponder - the change allows three bits to be carried per "symbol" (which remain at the 23.0MSymb/s rate) , rather than two as before).

The change from DVB-S to DVB-S2 last year increased the "usable" bitrate from 33.8Mbits/s to 46Mbit/s, the change to the 8PSK 2/3 will provide 58.8Mbit/s. (for more see tech.ebu.ch link icon DVB-S2 ready for lift off).

This will be used to allow for five high definition BBC television streams to be carried on satellite. The current two, used for BBC One HD and the BBC HD channel will be changed to:

  • BBC One HD for Northern Ireland
  • BBC One HD for Scotland
  • BBC One HD for Wales
  • BBC One HD for England (and the Channels Islands)
  • BBC Two HD for the UK


The changes will happen later in the year, after the configuration changes have been made to the transponder on 20th September 2012.

Freeview and cable users will not see any changes on 20th September. You won't see any changes if you do not have any HD channels.

If you use Sky or Freesat-from-Sky your box should not require any action. If you are unable to watch BBC One HD or BBC HD on that date, turn the Sky box off at the mains, wait 30 seconds and turn the power back on. After a few minutes the box should be able to show the channels again.

If you use Freesat, you may have to "soft reset" the box on 20th September. To do this, put the Freesat HD box or Freesat HD TV into standby for 30 seconds and then switch it back on again. In some rare cases, this will not work and you will need to do a "first time install" on the receiver.

BBC television regions by population size

The diagram above shows the United Kingdom, split into the populations in each BBC television region. It is interesting to note that the BBC will be providing special versions of BBC One in HD for Scotland (9.1% of the population), Wales (3.5%) and Northern Ireland (2.5%) whilst neglecting the large London (18.4%) North West (11.7%) and West Midlands (10.9%) regions.

However, the BBC has commitments to the "nations" and does provide additional programming and opt-outs above the "regional news" slots provided for the English Regions.





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js
Wednesday 12 September 2012 11:12PM
Brian, your numbers are wrong ... should be:

The change from DVB-S to DVB-S2 last year increased the "usable" bitrate from 33.790850 Mbits/s to 40.62837796 Mbit/s, the change to the 8PSK 2/3 will provide 45.55463347 Mbit/s.

Mark A.
Thursday 13 September 2012 7:03PM
I hope they don't turn the BBC HD channel in to BBC Two HD as this will reduce the choice of programs, but...
If they switch the BBC HD channel to BBC two HD, then they will also need more streams for the Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales regions.
Mike Dimmick
Friday 14 September 2012 6:54PM
Mark A: The reason for converting BBC HD to BBC Two HD is to *save money*. They don't need to employ a separate set of channel controllers, nor need to employ separate playout and continuity announcers. It saves a fairly piffling amount of money, compared to the overall BBC budget, but it's enough for it to be worth doing.

BBC Two HD will initially be a single national service as BBC One HD currently is. Nations services, matching SD, will come later.

Expect to see more BBC Three programmes getting late-night repeats on BBC One, and more BBC Four programmes getting late-night or daytime repeats on BBC Two. Partly this makes up for the loss of the spots on BBC HD, but mostly it'll be due to reduced content spending (in real terms).

If you're looking for someone to blame, blame this Government for freezing the licence fee rather than allowing it to increase in line with inflation, and for loading a bunch of required spending on the BBC licence fee that was previously paid for from other government budgets.
Ronald
Tuesday 18 September 2012 8:02PM
I cannot receive HD channels 50 to 59 on my Freeview TV set on Post Code WS99ET AND BS229UZ.

QUESTION: Do these Freeview channels transmit HD or does my TV set have a fault?

If HD is not transmitted on Freeview does anyone know when it will be? My set does have Freeview is only one week old!
Dave Lindsay
Tuesday 18 September 2012 8:26PM
Ronald: All Freeview transmitters carry HD after switchover.

Some TVs are labelled as "HD Ready" which means that they can show HD pictures but do not have the means to receive HD signals and therefore require a separate box for such pictures.

Are you sure that the TV has a HD tuner in-built? Does it mention "Freeview HD"?
Mike Dimmick
Tuesday 18 September 2012 10:47PM
Ronald: The transmitter at Sutton Coldfield has carried HD since 21 September 2011, and The Wrekin since 20 April 2011, covering the first postcode you gave. The second postcode falls into the Wenvoe service area, which launched at the end of March 2010.

As Dave Lindsay says, the most likely explanation is that your TV is not compatible. It must support the DVB-T2 transmission standard, not just DVB-T, and it must support the MPEG-4 AVC video encoding, not just MPEG-2. The easiest thing to look for is the Freeview HD logo.
trevorjharris
Thursday 20 September 2012 7:12PM
The only downside to this is a less robust signal so some people in fringe areas of satellite coverage may have problems. Having 5 channels will also mean a very limited bitrate for BBC HD channels. What make this even worst is that most of the BBC 1 HD channels will be transmiting the same programe most of the time. This will make statistical multiplexing ineffective.

So overal this will mean a reduction in picture quality.
George Buchanan
Friday 21 September 2012 8:57AM
I didn't notice any chnage to BBC HD transmissions yesterday - both are as before. Am I missing something?
trevorjharris
Friday 21 September 2012 9:53AM
According to this it is the 27th September.
George Buchanan
Friday 21 September 2012 10:27AM
According to what? Doesn't this page state 20th September?
trevorjharris
Friday 21 September 2012 11:32AM
Sorry left off the link

BBC - Blogs - About the BBC - A change to the BBC HD channels on satellite on 20 September
George Buchanan
Friday 21 September 2012 12:15PM
Thanks - BBC page also states 20th September. Only in the forum responses can I see 27th September mentioned. Confusion, but the BBC article defintely states 20th September.
George Buchanan
Friday 21 September 2012 12:28PM
Trevor Harris:

It's not about 'most of the time' but the other times. Should all of the UK just receive the current output which is overwhelmingly dominated by England based outpit? One example was just on Wednesday when England women's football international was shown in full HD while Scotland's women's international was shown on BBC Alba at 544 by 576. It's the British Broadcasting Corporation - or is it?
trevorjharris
Friday 21 September 2012 9:28PM
@George Buchanan

George I did not mean to sujest that I was against regional HD it is just the way the BBC is implementing it.

The BBC still does not have a viable stratergy for regional HD. As far as I know there are no plans to provide regional HD. The BBC is simply not wanting to spend the money on more transponders or on converting regional studios to HD.
George Buchanan
Sunday 23 September 2012 10:46AM
Quality is an issue for sure. As far as I know, BBC Scotland is prepared for HD so that can't be the reason. I suspect the BBC do want to provide the best quality in utilising more transponders but are constrained by government cuts. I just hope that complaints will be many and vocal and will focus on that as the solution and not on abandoning separate geographical services. You would think there would be some technical way they could transmit the few (and they are few) variations when necessary instead of the wasteful duplication of most of the output most of the time.

At the root is the government desire to reduce the quality of the BBC overall to drive viewers to Sky and ITV. I believe most in this government would like to see it privatised - end of.
Raymond Woodward
Tuesday 25 September 2012 3:57PM
Apart from the changes to the HD services (which are due on Sept. 27th BTW) there are also the changes to BBC SD television services on October 12th and major changes to BBC radio services due on October 15th ...

(Source BBCi page 998).
Briantist
Tuesday 25 September 2012 7:20PM
Raymond Woodward: I have had a look on BBCi and there is no such page, but I only have access to Freeview here.

I've used Google to look for the changes you have suggested and come up with nothing so far.

It would be very unusual for such change to be done on a Friday and following Monday. Normally changes are made on Wednesdays.

I can't help wondering if you mean www.ukfree.tv link icon BBC to reduce satellite transponders from seven to six on 7 October 2011 | ukfree.tv - 10 years of independent, free digital TV advice ?
js
Thursday 27 September 2012 5:51PM
Briantist:
BBC text Page 998 (off satellite):

"During September and October some of our channels are changing
on satellite and you might need to take some action if you have
trouble receiving any of our services:

On 27 September our HD channels will be changing, that's:

- BBC One HD
- BBC HD

On 12 October several of our TV services will be moving.

On 15 October most of our Radio services on satellite will be
moving."


Blindscan report for BBC HD transponder:

Frequency: 10847.112 Mhz
Symbol rate: 23000 KS
Polarization: Vertical
Spectrum: Inverted
Standard/Modulation: DVB-S2/8PSK
FEC: 2/3
RollOff: 0.25
Pilot: on
Long frame
Carrier width: 28.750 Mhz
BitRate: 44.520 Mbit/s

Note: The bitrate with pilot off would be 45.555 Mbit/s

Conor
Saturday 29 September 2012 1:33AM
Know astra 2f is up there freesat will get mor hd channels and a 3d channel also
Richard
Thursday 4 October 2012 4:48PM
I have a SKY HD box (PVR4) and since the 27th Sept I have been unable to get BBC one HD (143) and BBC HD (169). This must be down to the transponder change as I was able to get these channels before the change. I have a second SKY HD box (newer PVR5) and this still works for BBC HD post 27/9/12.
jb38
Thursday 4 October 2012 11:17PM
Richard: If you haven't already done so, you should try disconnecting the box from the mains supply and after about 30 secs or so reconnecting it again and allowed it to go through the usual searching for listings procedure, as that might correct the problem.

If it doesn't then please indicate the model number printed on the label on the underside.
Richard
Monday 8 October 2012 9:04PM
Hi jb38

Thanks. I have tried the power down reset without success. All the info I have seen suggests that it should work. It seems that the older box with the latest s/w will not handle the BBC's transponder changes. The failing box is as follows: Thompson (DSI8215) written on underside. From the service menu Model # 902020 Version 4E3006. I have contacted SKY but they where not even aware of the transponder config change and the front line support have not received any info about this problem.
jb38
Tuesday 9 October 2012 11:23PM
Richard: That was an issue from last year (June 2011) concerning the change to DVB-S2 operation and not applicable to the problem you are presently experiencing "if" the box was previously working OK.

Although you should not really require to do anything other than that suggested, and although I cant guarantee that this will work by the fact of not having a Sky HD box kicking around at this present time to try it out myself, but you should try entering these latest parameters into your Sky HD boxes "other channels" facility and check to see if that then enables the box to pick up BBC HD. (These figures will possibly provide more info than the Sky menu allows for)

Parameter changes from 27th September 2012.

Astra 1N (28.2° East)
Transponder 50
Frequency: 10.84700 GHz
Vertical polarisation
Modulation: DVB-S2, 8PSK
Symbol rate: 23.0 Mbaud
FEC 2/3
Transport Stream ID: 2050

Channel SID
BBC HD: 6940
BBC One HD: 6941
Richard
Thursday 11 October 2012 12:45PM
Hi jb38

Thanks, I see now that the link above was for a year old thread but there was a change to the transponder on 27/9/12. See www.bbc.co.uk link icon BBC - Blogs - About the BBC - A change to the BBC HD channels on satellite on 27 September . It was after this that I lost both BBC HD channels.

On my box I have nothing in "Other Channels". When I go to "Add Channels" I get asked for Freq, Pol, Rate and FEC. The rate comes from a menu that only allows 27.5 or 22.0 Mb. I tried Freq 10.847 and both rates and the search found nothing.

Do I need some hidden menu to try what you suggest ?
jb38
Saturday 13 October 2012 12:06AM
Richard: If your version of Sky box does not offer either a symbol rate setting of 23M/b or failing this an auto-select facility as applies in many Freesat TV's, then I am afraid that it doesn't look very promising as far as it being suitable for purposes other than SD use.

However, although as previously mentioned I do not have one of these boxes around at present for purposes of testing, I have however gleaned some information from elsewhere on a box with the operating system software being: 1.32B12 / EPG software 8.3.2, info as below.

Should any added channels be stored then they must be deleted and carry out a "new install" with the card inserted.

Press Services - 4, then " 0 - 1 - Select" which takes you into the installer menu, once in press "new installation"

By the way, dependant of the menu version you have rather than "services - 4 - 0 - 1 - select" it might be "services - 0 - 0 - 1- select, the main point being that you want to access "new installation".

Richard
Monday 29 October 2012 8:40PM
Hi

Sorry for the delay. Magically the box did an automatic upgrade and bingo , I can now received the missing HD channels.

From the details screen the model # has changed from 902020 to 102140. The s/w now is 1.32B12 and the epg is SKY+8.3.2 .
Marc
Monday 12 November 2012 5:33PM
Hi
I have a Panasonic Plasma 42" TX-P42G15B TV and it is now giving a pixilated picture and bad sound on 108 and 109 BBC HD channels.
I have tried switching to standby for 30 secs and also put it on Transit mode switched off then on and retuned all to no avail.
The set is only about 2 years old
Any ideas?
conor
Friday 4 January 2013 9:29PM
to all who read this there is a e petition joinfreesat site for to force all uktv channels on to both freesat and freeview also get lots off people to sign because BBC owns 50% of uktv would be very grate full for the word to spread around the internet and beyond and thank you for letting me write this
conor
Friday 4 January 2013 9:42PM
conor: here is the url epetitions.direct.gov.uk link icon Force the tax paid UKTV stations onto Freeview and Freesat - e-petitions
hope this helps
Briantist
Friday 4 January 2013 10:35PM
conor: Seems a bit of an odd way to go about things... as the BBC is independent of Parliament.
Briantist
Friday 4 January 2013 10:41PM
... and it is BSkyB's subscription contract requirement that keeps UKTV's Dave, Dave Ja Vu, Really and Yesterday off Freesat, along with Discovery's Quest, MTV's VIVA and 4Music.
Briantist
Friday 4 January 2013 10:43PM
and to call them "tax paid" is very silly, as UKTV brings in money to the BBC in addition to the TV Licence.

A petition to say "stop BSkyB requiring all of each provider channels to be subscription" might be better.
js
Wednesday 9 January 2013 5:49PM
BBC 1 SCOT HD (8901) LCN 980
BBC 1 WALES HD (8911) LCN 981

were added to Freesat on 3 Jan.

At present they are only available on a Freesat box by entering a unique postcode which maps to a Freesat Test Region.

js
Thursday 10 January 2013 7:18PM
The name "BBC 1 SCOT HD" looks a bit tight-fisted. What is the cost of four more characters?

On the Freesat Network, for service types 1, 2 and 25, we have service name lengths as follows:

3 of length 2
11 of length 3
11 of length 4
12 of length 5
9 of length 6
8 of length 7
21 of length 8
14 of length 9
22 of length 10
28 of length 11
24 of length 12
15 of length 13
30 of length 14

It would appear that Freesat have restricted service name lengths to a maximum of fourteen characters.


On the ASTRA Network, for service types 1, 2 and 25, we have:

1 of length 0
7 of length 2
25 of length 3
56 of length 4
30 of length 5
37 of length 6
50 of length 7
51 of length 8
58 of length 9
69 of length 10
70 of length 11
79 of length 12
55 of length 13
57 of length 14
17 of length 15
2 of length 16

It would appear that BSkyB have restricted these service name lengths to a maximum of sixteen characters.

However, if all service types are allowed, much longer names occur, the longest being "Sky News Active iText Quad" at 26 characters.

Note: The usual SERVICE TYPES are -
1 digital television service
2 digital radio sound service
12 data broadcast service
25 advanced codec HD digital television
js
Thursday 10 January 2013 8:12PM
There were some changes to Freesat today.

CHANGED:
"Men & Movies" renamed to "more>movies"

NEW:
"The Active Ch"

This service, unusually, does not have the Freesat Streams mapped to it (yet).

The service presently has an empty Flags-LCN-Region descriptor so is not yet available on a Freesat box (in Freesat mode). It does have full Freesat EIT Schedule data.

There is a description (Huffman-coded B2 descriptor in the ASTRA SDT) for this service:

"LA Muscle brings you sport, fitness, health and general well-being programming. Helping you stay in shape with our yoga, dance and training classes. We are behind the scenes at major fitness events."
js
Friday 11 January 2013 8:43PM
Just to update, the Freesat Streams were mapped to "The Active Ch" today.
Kate
Wednesday 23 January 2013 1:01PM
Hi there,
Bought a brand new Humax Freesat+ box with freetime last week but its not recording everything I set it to record. Seems to be having a problem with the new BBC 1 Scot HD channel. I live in South Queensferry and this channel has only just become available. No one else I have discussed this with seems to have heard of any problems with this box. Can you help.
Thanks
Kate.
Briantist
Wednesday 23 January 2013 6:39PM
Kate: see -http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107052061 please.
Robert Self
Wednesday 20 February 2013 7:40PM
My dad (a pensioners) has astra 2 freesat and up to yesterday got all the relevant channels but on putting the Tele on today it says no signal, ... is there a simple explanation, he has tried plugs out etc, resetting the tv from scratch but to no avail, ... any suggestions please.
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