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Freeview channel numbers change on September 19th 2012
Following a consultation earlier in the year, from lunchtime on Wednesday 19th September, you will have to retune to get the new numbers allocated to some Freeview channels; in particular those used for News, Adult, Children and high definition services.
Children's move to 121-130 Proposed changes to the News and Children's genres will be put on hold pending the outcome of an appeal by Sky. All other changes will continue as planned on 19 September 2012.
The "adult" channels on Freeview move up from 92-99 to start from 171. Channel 170 and 199 will be "bookend" pages to note the presence of the adult channels for those who flick up and down the channels.
131 BBC NEWS, 132 BBC Parliament, 133 Sky News, 134 Al Jazeera 6-8, 135 Al Jazeera Eng, 136 Russia Today, 137 Community.
Proposed changes to the News genre will be put on hold pending the outcome of an appeal by Sky. All other changes will continue as planned on 19 September 2012.
Children's move to 121-130
121 CBBC; 122 CBeebies, 123 CITV.
Children's genre will be put on hold pending the outcome of an appeal by Sky. All other changes will continue as planned on 19 September 2012.
igb2100: If they work now they will work after they move. If you don't have them now they won't work then either. It's down to whether your TV implements MHEG-IC correctly (or at all), receiving the multiplexes that carry the small MHEG-IC programs, and on having the TV connected to the Internet.
The way this works is that the multiplex contains Service Information mapping the logical channel number to a Service ID. In turn that Service ID points to a data stream, and that data stream broadcasts the MHEG program. If the box or TV is recognized as implementing MHEG-IC, and is one that is supported by the provider (information about the device and the MHEG interpreter is available to the MHEG program), the program uses the MHEG-IC interface to redirect the TV to the Internet stream. If it doesn't, it uses the existing MHEG features to show the 'not supported' text and a logo. These features have been used for 10 years or more to generate placeholders (using very little bitrate) for channels that are currently off-air - e.g. 81 BBC Parliament during the Olympics, or 71 CBeebies from 7pm to 6am - or are simply data services like 105 Red Button.
Because they appear as regular channels, the Electronic Programme Guide can be filled-in using Service Information data.
Because of the way this works, if you can't get the multiplex(es) that carry the Service Information, you can't view the service. At the moment, the CONNECT services (113-115) are on SDN, 110-112 and 116 are on ArqB, and The Space is on BBC B. For transmitters yet to switch over, each service is on the pre-DSO version of that mux (A, D and B respectively). Also, you will have to rescan the TV to get them to appear at all, as with any other service.
YouView will also be offering 'pure' IPTV services in their programme guide, the information about which will be downloaded by the box over the Internet, with nothing transmitted over Freeview. It remains to be seen whether any of the channels carried on commercial multiplexes decide to make live streaming available to YouView boxes and have their channels added to the YouView EPG, and whether it's possible for them to replace the non-functioning broadcast slots - their channel numbers on full-Freeview transmitters - if the receiver is missing one or more of the multiplexes (e.g. if using a Freeview Lite, PSB-only transmitter).
I'm sympathetic to why this is being done, but I must admit I'm getting a bit teed off with the number of retunes recently.
Here in Suffolk, that's going to be the 4th retune in just over a year. Fortunately for me, I've found out how to back up the recording schedule on the home PVR otherwise it takes hours to put it back afterwards. Another reason it's a pain is because I live half way between Tacolneston and Sudbury and the automatic tuning always seems to prefer the weaker Tacolneston signals for some strange reason. When you bear in mind that we have a 2 Humax boxes, a BT Visionbox and 1 (soon to be 2) freeview TV as well as a MythTV setup, that's a fair amount of retuning.
Can anyone tell me if there are going to be any more retunes after this or can I relax and get on with actually watching TV?
In this article txt svcs 200 etc to manu' all'n 899 are listed in numerical order but gen' channels 1 upwards to adult channels 198 are listed in reverse order . Could this be relaid out so as to read more logically ? Also could the footnote re 100 hd navigation page be included at the end of the HD channels section ?
The IPTV channels are unlikely to be affected by renumbering (unless there is some bug in the TV's firmware). Right now on my Panasonic, Sports Tonight works intermittently and the others say "You do not have a compatible device".
I'm guessing you'll need a retune to pick up the new channel numbers. What happens if you don't retune? Will the channels just stay on their old numbers or will they be inaccessible?
"decided to make some changes to the allocations to allow the Freeview platform to grow"
Does that mean any chance of growth for those with Freeview Lite or do we miss out on all improvements (along with many channels)? If there will be no improvements for us, will we need to retune - if so, why?
Paul Murphy: Purely on the issue of Freeview light transmitters expanding, this is something that's very unlikely ever to happen as its 100% dependant on whether the transmitter operators consider that there are sufficient numbers of potential advertisers around that's willing to contribute towards the substantial costs involved in running the service, this being unlike the PSB channels where its principal role is purely to provide a service devoid of any profit motives in mind.
Oh my god not a re tune again!! means i have to retune my dads tv sets and my girlfriends tv sets and PVRs as well as mine.. what is there to say if thats the final retune or we got more to come.... freesat and sky do it automaticly.. why cant it be same for freeview boxes? i think the freeview system is not very well thought out system.......
Rob: The only reason Freesat and Sky can do this automatically is because satellite transponders cover the whole of the UK at the same time, whereas with Freeview it involves hundreds of transmitters covering a multitude of areas all operating on different frequencies.
Accepting it's not perfect, will we still get the BBC widescreen testcard using the same key sequence on our remotes as at present or will that be lost? It is useful just to make sure LCD sets are doing their best.
Trish,Doncaster.You will need to be more specific in your text,are you receiving from Emley Moor or Belmont transmitters (or both ?).Which channels you claimed to have disappeared as such ?
If you know the multiplexes which ones ?
not sure, emley moor I think we get calendar and look north! Not technically minded. Have both tv's into the same aerial, one with digi box one digital freeview. I have all the channels on the digi box but not on the digital freeview tele
Trish,Doncaster.One indicator is the different Look North evening news bulletins.From Emley Moor it will be Christa Ackroyd/Harry Gration covering much of Yorkshire and the North Midlands,while from Belmont it will be Peter Levy covering East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire plus North Norfolk and Goole area of southern North Yorkshire.
As far as Emley Moor is concerned there are no problems,plus as far as i am aware there are too no problems reported at Belmont,although where i am located the 50 kw SDN multiplex on frequency 30 from Belmont normally 100% signal quality and 69% signal strength is currently pixellating between 72-94% signal quality and 61-63% signal strength.
Try resetting your affected digital freeview TV by unplugging the aerial/or aerial lead then perform a full auto scan without the aerial to blank out the previous memory then reconnect the aerial/or aerial lead back into the affected appliance as such then rescan,this time manually if this allows.
The Emley Moor multiplexes are BBCA on frequency 47,D3+4 on frequency 44,BBCB (HD) on frequency 41,SDN on frequency 51,ArqA on frequency 52 and ArqB on frequency 48.
The Belmont multiplexes are BBCA on frequency 22,D3+4 on frequency 25,BBCB (HD) on frequency 28,SDN on frequency 30,ArqA on frequency 53 and ArqB on frequency 60.
However if you receive from both Emley Moor and Belmont from your same aerial bear in mind the public service broadcast (PSB) multiplexes,BBCA,D3+4 and BBCB (HD) will duplicate in the 800's channels list,but the commercial (COM) multiplexes,SDN,ArqA and ArqB on the other hand will not duplicate in the 800's channels list as both Emley Moor and Belmont are both now fully digitally switched (TV only).
Keep updating with the outcome i suggested on this useful forum,one of the regulars on here Dave Lindsay who resides in Doncaster himself im sure will provide his own very valuable input as such !
i must get emley moor. I have done what you suggested and now have bbc news and parliament, but still no bbc 1,2,3 or itv 1,2,3,4 just channel 5. the frequencies you talk about is hitting about 10foot above my head
Once again some of the channels we want to watch BBC tonight are not working. Film 4, e4 etc are functioning, so I can only assume my aerial and receivers are working. My transmitter is Divis, and I suspect the problem lies here. I would not be impressed if i have to retune my receivers on a regular basis. Why do some channels work and others not others? Why is this fault intermittent? Digital is meant to be an improved service and quality.
Steve Clarke: Without actually knowing the area you reside in (post code or one from nearby) then the signal levels expected at your location cannot be assessed, however in general terms the reasons some channels work and others do not is because digital television reception operates on a threshold level system, this meaning that signal levels received "have" to be above a certain level to resolve a picture and with these levels determined by the tuner used in the TV or box, if the signal received is under the threshold for reception then it wont resolve a picture even although the signal might still be there, however the picture "will" come back of its own accord when the level rises again WITHOUT carrying out a retune and with this being the reason why re-tuning is totally unnecessary, as all that does is to wipe out the channels already stored necessitating frequent rescans being made to recover them.
By the way BBC from Divis is presently only operating on 2.3 Kw but on October 10th will increase to 100 Kw, ITV1 (on 2.3Kw) and the "new" HD service will also start operating on 100Kw from October 24th, and with the commercials that presently range from 1.6Kw (Film 4 etc) to 2Kw (Pick TV etc) likewise switching to 50 Kw on October 24th.
This is becoming a right farse, when DSO was over everyone thought at last no more re-tunes. Who pays for this? Every time there is a re-tune I toddle off to my people and re-tune and say this is it now! They think I'm telling porkies, or some kind of halfwit that I don't know what I'm talking about.
"hear, hear" as to farce. This much worse than DSO. every Freeview set or box in the country has to be retuned. Who will be providing the help to all the over 75-year olds who needed help with DSO? When and how are the general public going to be told about this? I will have retune my TV, PVR and then go and do same with my father and my daughter. And to make it worse, I am away on holiday that week, as I was in June for DSO on Bluebell Hill.
Don't hold your breath. Local TV will only be commercially viable where programmes attract enough viewers to render advertising remunerative to bonus-hungry company directors. But, heck, the shopping and even lesser channels thrive, so maybe...
Michael.You may have a good point there concerning Local TV in your earlier text today at 8.32pm.You never know if Local TV ever does take off it will ultimately go down the road as ITV have done,almost national with only the local news bulletins and local commercial advertising left.
History will repeat itself here !
Maureen.New Milton,BH25 5SZ.Having checked with the BBC ReceptionTest link provided with your text there are no problems reported as such.
I would strongly look up single frequency interference as a likely culprit !
my postcode is DT40RG and I am considering switching to Freeview, instead of Sky on my three year old Sharp TV. At the moment, when I remove the sky view card, my TV will let me watch most basic channels but I cant get ITV3, which is what we watch a lot.
Please can you tell me if I can get Freeview at my postcode, in Weymouth, and if I should get a set top box to receive ITV3. I notice also that in September 2012 the channels will change. My husband cant use the computer so could you send me a freeview information pack in the post please at 386 chickerell road, weymouth, DT40RG
For this reason, ITV3 is only available to you via satellite.
"Freesat from Sky" (FsFs) is available, although I'm not sure of the one-off cost. Maybe someone else reading this knows how much Sky charge existing customers for a FsFs card. Sky advertises the service on its website and says that the card is £175, but doesn't say whether this applies to Sky customers:
FREESAT from Sky - Call now to order
It also says that "For security reasons Viewing Cards may be inactivated from time to time. In this situation, if you wish to continue to receive all the encrypted Free to View channels, you will have to purchase a new viewing card at our then applicable standard charge." Only Sky could get away with offering a service that is free of any subscriptions and available for a "one off" payment that "may" need paying for again!!
There is also a service called "Freesat" (not to be confused with the afformentioned Freesat from Sky) which carries ITV3. This works with your existing dish and will require a different set-top box.
"If" the cost of a FsFs card is £175, then you may be better off getting a "Freesat" box.
pat williamson: If I am understanding you correctly are you actually saying that your Skybox cannot receive ITV3? as ITV3 is on channel 119 on a Sky box and is NOT encrypted, meaning that you do not require a card inserted to receive it.
As a matter of fact you do not really require a card inserted for most channels except Sony TV on 157, as although its a free channel it is encrypted so that it cant (without difficulty anyway) be viewed outside of the UK.
Try punching in 119 on your Sky box, and if the channel is still not there then remove the mains supply plug from the box and after about a minute or so reconnect it again, then once you find that the box is responding to the remote control again by taking it out of standby, just let it go through its usual "searching for listings" procedure and carry out a further check on 119, ITV3+1 on 180.
By the way a Sky free to view card used to be £20.00 but I believe its went up to £25.00 now, although to be quite frank about it considering the extra channels you get by having it its not worth the bother, and of course its unnecessary anyway as your Sky subscription card reverts to being a "free to view" card when the subscription is cancelled.
I live in Darlington = Bilsdale transmsitter. Retunes due on 12th & 19th September. I go on a long holiday on 11th September for 5 weeks. I only record on BBC1, BBC2, BBC4, ITV, Channel 4. If I set recordings before my holiday, will they work? I cannot retune until late October, on my return.
David Rose: Unfortunately not, as the EPG used by the programme guide where you preset your recordings on is dedicated to each one of the six individual transmitter mux channel numbers used by the station, and of course all these numbers are changing starting by the very one that you require (BBC mux) on the 12th, and so anything set is lost.
Stuart Owens Monday 20 August 2012 12:06PM Wrexham
Monday 13 August 2012 2:47PM
Regarding Local TV, when this was first announced, I heard it would be called Channel Six so therefore it was mentioned somewhere on this site that it would be on Freeview Channel 6 so ITV2 would have to move and it would be on Sky Channel 106 so Sky1 would have to move.
Is this now not the case? Having a Channel 6 on 8/45 in Wales on Freeview does not make much sense!
I don't think I'm expected to receive any of the local TV channels anyway but if I did, I would rather it be on 6/106 on Sky.
Stuart Owens, I think "Channel 6" is just a generic name for the proposed local service; from what I understand each provider will be a separate company broadcasting under its own name. A bit like ITV used to be a network of separate companies, i.e. Westward, Southern, Yorkshire, Granada etc. (all separate companies); they were thus more frequently referred to in the applicable areas by the applicable regional name rather than the generic name ITV / Channel 3.
it would good if we had a channel 45 on freeview i dont get channel 45 on my freeview set up box or tv hope the come up with a channel 45 on freeview in north west england and others as well from Daniel clapham