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Upgrading from Sky+HD to Freesat+HD

What to do if you want to stop subscribing to Sky+HD but do wish to record/pause/play free HD television.

What to do if you want to stop subscribing to Sky+HD but do wis
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You might get a glossy magazine every month, but what do Sky really think of your custom?

"Give me a f**king name on a direct debit and it's mine for life,"
- www.ft.com link icon Sam Chisholm, former boss of BSkyB.


Perhaps you responded to an offer like the one blow that promised a gratis Sky+HD box (for new customers taking their first Sky+HD package) with free standard set-up



But you were so excited with the thought of a £50 M&S voucher that you didn't think to follow each of the little daggers and little stars to quite read all the terms and conditions:

www.sky.com link icon 

So, your twelve months of commitment are over and, for reasons of budget (or politics) you have decided you want to keep all the features of Sky+ - live pause, high definition, extended electronic programme guide, series record, and recording two programmes at once whilst you watch another - but don't want to fork out every month on top of your TV Licence - and you still get www.ukfree.tv link icon hundreds of free TV channels

Here's what you can do.

First you need to buy a Freesat+HD box. There are many on the market, and can be bought from Argos, www.currys.co.uk link icon Currys DIGITAL, www.johnlewis.com link icon John Lewis, Comet and online at Amazon, as well as other stores.

When you use a Freesat+HD box NO SUBSCRIPTION HAS TO BE PAID. NONE. NOT A PENNY TO ANYONE.

Installing

This will take no more than ten minutes. First you will need to disconnect the Sky+HD box mains from the wall socket.

Then you will need to disconnect the cables from the back of the Sky+HD box.

Pull out the mains power connection (1), carefully unscrew the satellite dish links (2) and (3), and then take out the HDMI lead (4) to your HDTV. If you have an "surround sound" amplifier, you may also have a digital audio connection (5).

Remove the Sky+HD box and put the Freesat+HD box back in the same position.



Then reconnect the cables: the mains power cable (1) - but not to the wall just yet, screw the two satellite dish links (2) and (3) and connect the HDMI cable (4) to your HDTV. If you had one, reconnect the digital audio connection (5).

If you have an Ethernet router, you can connect it to the Freesat+HD box at this point (5).

With everything in place, turn on the mains power and power up the Freesat+HD box.

The TV screen first displays the box's logo



The first set-up screen allows you to select the TV type, widescreen mode and resolution:



Next the box checks for the satellite signal:



Then there is a check for updated software:



Then you enter your postcode and the box checks it:



The next step is a scan for channels. This takes about 30 seconds:



And that's it. You can now view channels, like 108 for BBC HD:



Or press the GUIDE button for the EPG:



And that's it.





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linleyw
Wednesday 13 April 2011 10:13AM Ross-on-wye
Hi, firstly thanks for providing this resource.

I've decided to drop Sky+ in favour of a Humax HDR Fox T2 (tell me if i shouldn't, but calculate it will pay for itself within 6 months, bearing in mind I'm paying for a second Sky box (£15 monthly) for an upper floor.

My main questions are : I have existing sky dish cabling to ground floor, first floor and second floor. Do I therefore need a freeview box for each floor ? (I do not wish to use an eye transmitter or run additional cabling). If I choose, say, an HD+ box for the ground floor (2 incoming sky cables), presumably I buy a basic freeview box for each other required floor (one existing sky cable to each). Will this setup allow each of the three freeview boxes to watch different channels at the same time, bearing in mind the cables all terminate at one dish.

Thanks for your kind help

LW
Briantist
Wednesday 13 April 2011 11:00AM
linleyw: You must use FreeSAT boxes with satellite connections, FreeVIEW only works with a television aerial.
linleyw
Wednesday 13 April 2011 11:22AM Ross-on-wye
Brilliant - thanks for such a fast response. Otherwise, will 3 boxes show different channels if attached to one dish (by independent cabling to each box) ?
Briantist
Wednesday 13 April 2011 4:17PM
linleyw: Yes, that is correct. Each box has to connect to a separate LNB output, allowing any channel to be watched.

If you had Sky+ you will have had a "quad LNB" on the dish, with four outputs.
Mike Dimmick
Wednesday 13 April 2011 4:19PM
linleyw: As long as you have independent cabling running all the way from separate outputs on the LNB to each Freesat box, then yes, you can select any channel you like on any box.
Mike Dimmick
Wednesday 13 April 2011 5:21PM
Rodlv: If you split a satellite dish cable you can get strange results when both boxes are on, or if one is recording (if a Sky+ or Freesat+ box). It usually means a limited range of channels on one or other box, or both. This is because the box signals the mode it needs for the selected channel back to the dish. (In a communal system, back to the multiswitch.) Those mode signals can clash either causing the wrong mode to be selected, or one box to override the other.

You only need to connect two feeds to one satellite box if you plan to record programmes, either recording two programmes at once, or recording one programme and watching another live programme. If you don't want to do that, you could connect one of the two feeds to the box in the bedroom. (Some boxes may be able to record two programmes at once, or watch one channel and record another, from a single feed, as long as the channels use compatible modes.)

Some satellite receivers also have an 'LNB 1 OUT' socket for connecting another receiver. When the first receiver is in standby, it passes the mode selection signals from the second receiver back to the dish. When it's on (and possibly when recording), the second receiver's mode-select signals are filtered out and you can only watch channels using the same mode as the first receiver.

You can feed as many Freeview boxes as you like from one aerial point, as there is no mode-selection signal fed back from the box to the aerial. You may have to add a small amount of amplification to offset the loss through the splitter.

The line-up on Freeview and Freesat, and on Sky's free service, is a bit different. See www.ukfree.tv link icon All free-to-watch channels | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice for a comparison of what's where.

You can keep your existing Sky boxes and go onto their free service, which has more channels than Freesat. You might need to ask Sky for a viewing card for the multi-room box (costs £25). The recording and time-shift features of the Sky+ box will be disabled, including playback of existing recorded content.
linleyw
Thursday 14 April 2011 6:38AM Ross-on-wye
Thanks Gents, that's me sorted

Once again, thanks for sharing your time and knowledge

best wishes
newton
Friday 15 April 2011 11:44AM
Will my sky dish work with freesat.
Briantist
Friday 15 April 2011 12:57PM
newton: yes, as per the article.
Rodlv
Saturday 16 April 2011 10:13PM London
MikeDimmick: thank you so much your help, Mike. This makes me aware now that it's not good to use a splitter on satellite dish cable due to effects you mentioned. Does this mean then that I need to get a separate output from the multiswitch or LNB.

Thanks again.
Jmpy
Monday 25 April 2011 12:59AM
Hi, I would be interested in programming my box to record a programme whilst I am abroad, therefore over an Internet connection (like Sky+ I believe although I have never had it).
The only box I found to do that is the echostar that actually contains slingbox software (£350). Is there a cheaper option?
Briantist
Monday 25 April 2011 5:34AM
Jmpy: You can buy a Slingbox as a separate device to use with any bit of equipment you like.
Chris Perratt
Tuesday 26 April 2011 9:04AM
Can you help me? ive just got a HD TV with built in freeview HD. i did have sky+, but have ended the contract and retained the dish outside for the new tv. i went to connect the wire from the sky dish to the back of my tv and discovered the wire is split in to 2 sections? can i take one of these sections and put a aerial connection on and connect to the tv or do i need to replace the full length of the wire?
Briantist
Tuesday 26 April 2011 9:32AM
Chris Perratt: basically, no. You can't atach FreeVIEW to a dish, it uses an aerial.
Mick
Tuesday 26 April 2011 6:46PM
hello,
i do have sky HD(black box with 160gb)
and regular one (white)
and sky dish.
what do i need to do to stop pay my subcription and still be able to watch tv channels?
thank you! :).
Mick
Tuesday 26 April 2011 7:27PM
hello,
i do have sky HD(black box with 160gb)
and regular one (white one)
what do i have to do to watch sky for free?
thank you :).
Mick
Tuesday 26 April 2011 7:30PM
what do i have to do to watch it for free?
msg bugged -.-
Briantist
Tuesday 26 April 2011 7:45PM
Mick: Please read the above article.
mike
Wednesday 27 April 2011 9:22AM Bury St. Edmunds
Hi all.
I just moved to a house with Sky dish on the ground floor. It is a new house and has TV-out on the other floors but no antenna for freeview. I wonder if I buy a freeview decoder box (or freesat decoder box) and connect it on the other floors to the TV-out, should I expect to receive any channels?
Thanks.
Mike
Briantist
Wednesday 27 April 2011 9:25AM
mike: I really don't know what you mean by a " TV-out".
mike
Wednesday 27 April 2011 9:41AM Bury St. Edmunds
Sorry for not being clear. 'TV-out' - I mean the other rooms have a TV-antenna connection in the wall. There is no antenna in the loft or outside of the house.
Thanks
Mike
Mike Dimmick
Wednesday 27 April 2011 12:24PM
mike: Then the property developers have provided a communal system. Hopefully they were well-advised on selecting the proper transmitter to point the communal antenna at.

At that postcode, Digital UK advises that the best transmitter is Sandy Heath, which has just switched over. You should get good results from this transmitter, as long as they have had the communal system adjusted for the new frequencies. There will also be retunes on 31 August, 14 September, 23 November, and the middle of next year, as the commercial multiplexes straggle in to their final channels - again, each one may need adjustments if it's a 'channelised' system.

Sudbury and Tacolneston are closer, but it looks like there are terrain problems.

There is a slight possibility that they haven't provided Freeview at all, and the wiring is designed to take the RF output of a Sky box and distribute it around the house. This is most common where there is no possibility of Freeview, though.
mike
Thursday 28 April 2011 7:38PM Bury St. Edmunds
Thanks Mike, your response was very helpful. Much appreciated.
technophobe
Friday 29 April 2011 6:40PM
As usual the above comments were very helpful, but as an electrical illiterate, I have trouble setting up a complete system eg HD TV, Freesat receiver,DVD player ( for existing DVD collection ) and VCR ( ditto ).
Is it posible for Briantist to provide a simple schematic showing the connections between each item of equipment ? At present I don't know whether some items should be connected in series or in parallel to each other.
Jonathan D
Monday 2 May 2011 8:39PM
Hi

Just bought and moved into a house with sky dish and hd cabling into the lounge.

5 other rooms have an aerial point - i did some testing and a tv with built-in freeview failed to pick up any channels on any of the connections in these rooms. I assume this means that they are all linked back to the main sky point and not the roof mounted standard aerial?

We don't want to subscribe to sky, so is it feasible to connect freesat HD boxes to each of the aerial pojnts (enabling "multiroom" functionality)?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Les Nicol
Tuesday 3 May 2011 7:08AM
Jonathan G - You will certainly be able to connect a "Freesat" HD receiver to the Lounge. You need to check where the other room points originate from eg:- a loft amplifier or booster sourced from a roof top aerial that distributes to each of the the additional outlets? Freeview doesn't perform well or at all where a booster is connected to the system. I think you might be better to have a local -reputable- installer check the system out for you as several options are open to you including the fitting of a 5 in 8 out multi-switch (Quad LNB capable). This would take account of the number outlets you have and twin tuner feeds required for a "Freesat" Plus recorder should you have this type of receiver(s).
jb38
Wednesday 4 May 2011 4:42PM
Jonathan D: Regarding your query, its always advisable (indeed a necessity!) when seeking assistance with reception for a person to give an indication of their locality, as one of a few possible reasons for you not picking anything up from any of the aerial points could be that you are not in a Freeview reception area?, it would have been interesting to know if anything had been picked up if you had carried out an analogue sweep of the channels.
A further piece of info that would also be of help is to know if the aerial points you refer to are Co-ax or "F" socket types, satellite obviously exclusively using "F" sockets, albeit that they can also be used for Freeview reception, whereas Co-ax types are exclusively for non-satellite use. (or as under mentioned!)
Another possible use the previous owner could have had for the sockets was to feed the Sky box's analogue RF output to the other rooms so that Sky or other analogue TV programmes could be viewed, the latter assuming that you do have an operational aerial!
A final point thats worth looking at is to try and check if all the sockets are all wired back to the loft, and if they are to make sure that there isnt a distribution amp installed up there that has possibly been switched off by the previous owner of the property.
wesley dilworth
Wednesday 4 May 2011 9:12PM Newtownabbey
i have a panasonic cd vhs recorder with built in freeview my wife used vhs for recording and playing her tapes this worked p[erfectly with our sony trinitron tv. ibought a new sony tv with built in freeview now the freeview on panasonic does not work and she cant record. can i cancel one or other of these freeviews. many thanks. wesley
Briantist
Wednesday 4 May 2011 9:13PM
wesley dilworth: The analogue recorder is included in the VHS, but it does not have a digital recorder.

The best course of action is to scrap the VCR and get a Freeview+ recorder.
Reg Burns
Thursday 5 May 2011 4:41PM
Hello there
I am coming to the end of my SKY HD contract, and fancy moving to a Freeview HD PVR. The one thing I want to retain is the ability to use the one PVR in the living room and the bedroom. We have this with SKY, using a magic eye thing. Will that be available on a Freeview PVR?
Mike Dimmick
Thursday 5 May 2011 6:27PM
Reg Burns: Very few Freeview devices have an RF modulator output and none understand Magic Eye, as far as I know. You can get plug-in RF modulators that connect to the box's SCART socket, and other infra-red remote control extenders, but I don't know of any generic remote control extenders that piggy-back on the TV wiring.

If you're not bothered about watching recorded programmes in the bedroom, you could just get a regular Freeview or Freeview HD set-top box.
Pete
Sunday 8 May 2011 3:42PM Glasgow
I have a Sky dish and HD box and my Sky subscription (after 12 years)ends at the begining of June and would like to know if by obtaining a Freesat viewing card from Sky
what features of the HD box will be available
Keith
Monday 9 May 2011 4:19AM
I have just terminated my Sky subscription does any one know how to view the remaining recordings that I have left on the Sky HD+ box
Les Nicol
Monday 9 May 2011 7:38AM
Keith - I would normally advise anyone who is contemplating terminating their SKY subs to make sure they view their recordings prior to taking this step or during the period of notice to do so. It is possible to remove the hard drive and requires specific software to do this and not a process for the faint hearted. SKY disable your products ability to record when you stop your subscription - which you probably are aware of. "Freeesat" DTR's aren't open to this restrictive practice an action that makes SKy's offer to provide it's customers with a "Free" as advertised in their promotional material as somewhat of a "sham".
Steve
Monday 9 May 2011 10:21AM
If I terminate my Sky+HD subscription when the digital changeover occurs in my region can I still use my SKY+HD box to receive and record & playback FREESAT TV ? Or do I have to buy a new FreeSAT box? What do I have to do ? How much do Sky charge for retaining their Recording/Playback feature...? Thanks...
Ian Rangeley
Monday 9 May 2011 11:41AM
Hi Steve, Sky have it tied up so you can not legally record Satelite programs once you terminate your contract. I now use a Humax HD Freesat system with 320GB drive for recording. There are lots of programes inc film channels that you can veiw and record for free. All with no subscription and new channels being added regulary
Regards Ian in Devon
Mike Dimmick
Monday 9 May 2011 2:35PM
Ian Rangeley, Steve: I don't think there's anything legal about it, they just consider recording an extra service to pay for and their boxes won't record, or let you play back recorded programmes, if you don't have an active subscription.

It's reportedly possible to get them to just activate recording, but they want £10 per month.

You can migrate to Freesat at any point - it's already up and running, you don't have to wait for your region to switch over. Switchover only affects TV through an aerial - satellite TV switched over to digital 10 years ago.
Steve
Monday 9 May 2011 4:44PM
Thank you to both Ian & Mike for helping to clarify my understanding ~ much appreciated. Steve.
Greg
Wednesday 11 May 2011 11:10AM
Hi,I have a sky+ HD box installed and am running a tv in the bedroom and one in the office from it. I can only watch the same programmes on both tv's and wish to view programmes independently from each set. If i get an extra sky+HD box and have that connected up will i have too pay an extra subscription also?
Many thanks
Les Nicol
Wednesday 11 May 2011 12:23PM
Greg - Yes. You could get a "Freesat" HD or HD DTR recorder Which will allow you to view and or record dependent on the model chosen. "Freesat" is supported by the BBC and ITV. Whilst you wouldn't get all what
you can get on SKY dependent on your subscription package you will receive over 200 channels and several hundred more with a receiver that can switch between the "Freesat" EPG and European standard FTA EPG - free to air. Effectively this gives you the ability to watch alternative channels from that on your existing SKY box You will require feeds from you existing dish which will have two spare connectors on the dish LNB to facilitate this. - Not expensive if you have to have a rigger to do this. Sky themselves would charge you their standard charge about dougble that of a local reputable tradesman.
technophobe
Friday 13 May 2011 7:57AM
Would it be possible for Briantist to respond to my post of the 29th April ?

Technophobe
Briantist
Friday 13 May 2011 8:17AM

technophobe: I think this is the one:


M Smith
Saturday 14 May 2011 9:21AM
I have Sky+HD package that includes Sky Sports 1&2.
Is there any way I can continue to receive these channels if I cancel Sky and go Freesat. I have built in Freeview on my TV.
Somebody mentined to me that it was possible to purchase and insert a viewing card in the TV.
Briantist
Saturday 14 May 2011 1:57PM
M Smith: No, you can't do that. You must first subscribe to a Sky basic package using Sky equipment to access Sky Sports channels on satellite.

You can also get the channels - in SD only - via BT Vision, Top UP TV and Virgin Media.

The only option via a Freeview TV is TUTV - see www.topuptv.com link icon Freeview, Digital TV Recorder (DTR), ESPN & More .
Peter
Monday 16 May 2011 8:39AM
If I take my Humax Freesat box to My home in Spain,will it work if I remove my current Sky box and replace it with the Humax?
Briantist
Monday 16 May 2011 8:54AM
Peter: Yes, it will.
Graham M
Friday 27 May 2011 5:59PM
Will the satellite dish need to be realigned when I change from Sky to FreeSat or is it just a case of changing the receiver?
Thanks
Briantist
Friday 27 May 2011 6:22PM
Graham M: As with the article, you just change the receiver.
George Ingle
Saturday 28 May 2011 5:45PM
I have a basic Sky+ package fed to five TVs each with a 'magic eye' so that recordings can be accessed from anywhere in the house and also channels can be changed. What equipment/work would I need to have the same facilities from Freesat?
George
Briantist
Saturday 28 May 2011 9:25PM
George Ingle: Freesat+ boxes do not have "RF modulated" outputs.

This is because you would normally wire a Freesat box for each TV set to the dish, so you can watch any Freesat channel on each TV.

However, you can buy a "RF Modualtor", such as www.maplin.co.uk link icon Maplin - Buy this Programmable RF Modulator cheap online which will allow you to do the same thing as the Sky box.
David
Tuesday 31 May 2011 9:24PM
Hi there.
I currently have no arial and am so reliant on my sat dish.
I'm currently considering buying a freesat TV (not a freesat box) and was wondering if the same cable and connector is used from the sky dish LNB to the TV as I currently have to my sky box?

Thanks for the site - i've learned a couple of things already (and i've researched this topic for my father in law previously).
lee
Wednesday 1 June 2011 2:12AM
hi, i'm thinking about not using my Sky+HD box anymore and to use (freesat built in on my tv). How can i still use the same LNB & the two core cable, (to one Core Connector on the tv). Is it a case of you only need to use one side for this to work..??



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