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Upgrading from Sky+HD to Freesat+HD

What to do if you want to stop subscribing to Sky+HD but do wish to record/pause/play free HD television.

What to do if you want to stop subscribing to Sky+HD but do wis
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You might get a glossy magazine every month, but what do Sky really think of your custom?

"Give me a f**king name on a direct debit and it's mine for life,"
- www.ft.com link icon Sam Chisholm, former boss of BSkyB.


Perhaps you responded to an offer like the one blow that promised a gratis Sky+HD box (for new customers taking their first Sky+HD package) with free standard set-up



But you were so excited with the thought of a £50 M&S voucher that you didn't think to follow each of the little daggers and little stars to quite read all the terms and conditions:

www.sky.com link icon 

So, your twelve months of commitment are over and, for reasons of budget (or politics) you have decided you want to keep all the features of Sky+ - live pause, high definition, extended electronic programme guide, series record, and recording two programmes at once whilst you watch another - but don't want to fork out every month on top of your TV Licence - and you still get www.ukfree.tv link icon hundreds of free TV channels

Here's what you can do.

First you need to buy a Freesat+HD box. There are many on the market, and can be bought from Argos, www.currys.co.uk link icon Currys DIGITAL, www.johnlewis.com link icon John Lewis, Comet and online at Amazon, as well as other stores.

When you use a Freesat+HD box NO SUBSCRIPTION HAS TO BE PAID. NONE. NOT A PENNY TO ANYONE.

Installing

This will take no more than ten minutes. First you will need to disconnect the Sky+HD box mains from the wall socket.

Then you will need to disconnect the cables from the back of the Sky+HD box.

Pull out the mains power connection (1), carefully unscrew the satellite dish links (2) and (3), and then take out the HDMI lead (4) to your HDTV. If you have an "surround sound" amplifier, you may also have a digital audio connection (5).

Remove the Sky+HD box and put the Freesat+HD box back in the same position.



Then reconnect the cables: the mains power cable (1) - but not to the wall just yet, screw the two satellite dish links (2) and (3) and connect the HDMI cable (4) to your HDTV. If you had one, reconnect the digital audio connection (5).

If you have an Ethernet router, you can connect it to the Freesat+HD box at this point (5).

With everything in place, turn on the mains power and power up the Freesat+HD box.

The TV screen first displays the box's logo



The first set-up screen allows you to select the TV type, widescreen mode and resolution:



Next the box checks for the satellite signal:



Then there is a check for updated software:



Then you enter your postcode and the box checks it:



The next step is a scan for channels. This takes about 30 seconds:



And that's it. You can now view channels, like 108 for BBC HD:



Or press the GUIDE button for the EPG:



And that's it.





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Strathearn
Friday 4 March 2011 5:23PM
"you have decided you want to keep all the features of Sky+ - live pause, high definition, extended electronic programme guide, series record, and recording two programmes at once whilst you watch another...."

So far, so good.... BUT if you remove the Sky+ Box and put the Freesat+HD box back in the same position

AND

If the Freesat+HD Box hasn't a PVR included - how do I continue with all the similar feature of Sky+ ?????

Are you are saying that the Freesat+HD box must also be a PVR.? Then you're asking me consider another £300 outlay [approx] to purchase it!
Richard Hewitt
Friday 4 March 2011 5:46PM
I've recently swapped from sky+ to Humax Freesat+ PVR and, apart from saying goodbye to the monthly subscription, I am experiencing far superior picture and sound quality. As I have never subscribed to any premium channels I am still able to recieve all the programmes I want. The only down-side is the lack of 2nd TV out socket on the Humax. I know there are RF converters and remote eye devices on the market but is anyone aware of a gadget that combines the two? My Sky+ was used to 'pipe' to three other TVs in the house using RF2 out. I tried using 5.8ghz video sender but, as our cottage has very thick walls, it did not work.
Another major selling point for the Humax is the multi function remote control which gives me full control of the PVR, TV, DVD recorder and Audio amplifier.
All in all a good swap!
Briantist
Friday 4 March 2011 5:49PM
Strathearn: All Freesat+HD boxes are a PVR. That's what the "+" is all about.
Briantist
Friday 4 March 2011 5:50PM
Richard Hewitt: As you will have spare dish outputs, you can connect a Freesat or Freesat HD box directly to the other set. All you need is a box and a length of satellite-grade coaxial cable.

If you do this you can watch whatever you want on both sets.
Briantist
Friday 4 March 2011 5:54PM
Strathearn: There are plenty of links to Freesat+HD boxes that are less than £300 in the article.

Picking one at random - GOODMANS GFSDTR500HD 500GB freesat+ HD Digital TV Recorder | Dixons | £199.99
VIC POOLE
Friday 4 March 2011 9:36PM
I agree with the merits described above, and generally the picture is superior.There is the question of channels like Dave (&dave ja vu)as
freesat will really take off when it has something unique.My wife is a huge fan of Alibi
with Murdoch Mysteries etc.and this is binding us to a basic Sky package. When the computer
linked set-up is the norm,we will experience a different Murdoch Mystery.Essentially why did
we suffer him (RUPERT) FOR SO LONG?
Briantist
Saturday 5 March 2011 6:48AM
VIC POOLE: Due to the restrictions that Sky place on other broadcasters to be allowed into their EPG, it is not possible for UK TV to broadcast Dave (or Dave Ja Vu) on Freesat.

Strathearn
Saturday 5 March 2011 2:14PM
Briantist, thanks for pointing out that Freesat+ IS a PVR and not just a signal receiving box.

Here's another disadvantage with the Sky+HD box..... for the radio listener.

I've had a Humax Freeview PVR for a number of years and when I listen and record radio I do it via Freeview. The advantage being, not only is there a fully programmed 8 day EPG, I can also pause, rewind and record radio - just like TV programmes, either in real time or set it to record a future radio prog [or programme series] from the EPG. With the Sky+HD box radio recording IS possible but only if you do so by manually punching in the the radio channel, on/off time and single or repeat recording etc. There is no Auto Series recording facility. Yes, you can listen to the radio in real time with the Sky box, but can't pause, rewind OR record radio whilst doing so. Also, other than tell you some minimalist info about the radio programme you are currently listening to, there is no EPG, hence the requirement to manually set up the recording.

Do Freesat+ boxes lack the Freeview radio features too?
Strathearn
Saturday 5 March 2011 2:53PM
'meant to include in my last posting [above] that BBC iplayer isn't available direct to your TV with the Sky+HD box, and if you want it to be so with a Freesat+ box, as far as I'm aware you do have to be connected to the internet via your broadband service. The most efficient way is to hard wire your Freesat box and your modem/router with an ethernet cable, or [less satisfactorily] via wifi. If your modem/router isn't close to your Freesat+ box you could also use the increasingly popular homeplug setup.
Briantist
Saturday 5 March 2011 3:55PM
Strathearn: Freesat+HD has a full radio EPG, and interactive radio "red button" stuff the same as Freeview.

Yes, there are lots of other advantages to Freesat+HD, this page I created because lots of people have asked about how to change a Sky+HD box for a Freesat+HD one.
Les Nicol
Sunday 6 March 2011 4:16PM
Vic Poole - Strathearn. The "Freesat" Technisat HDFS is available at £120.00 It does require either an external 2.5 Laptop HDD or High Capacity Pen Drive and records only One channel while watching another as opposed to the Humax and others that record two whilw watching another. However, having both of the aforementioned receivers - the Technisat does everything else accesses iPlayer that the Humax does and also can be networked to a PC.Picture quality is beyond reproach. Has Diseqc also so can bemotorised and although more limited than an FTA box in this respect it is better managed in this respect than the Humax. Certainly worth consideration.
Briantist
Sunday 6 March 2011 6:38PM
Les Nicol: I must get one of those to try out, I've got a spare 2TB external drive lying around not doing very much.
Les Nicol
Monday 7 March 2011 7:35AM
Brian - 3year manufacturers warranty with this is an added bonus.
Les Nicol
Monday 7 March 2011 7:43AM
Brian - Forgot to mention - PVR functionality was an added update which the receiver will do automatically - An extended downloadable manual is accessed from the website that fully covers the PVR setup recording and playback functions.
Briantist
Monday 7 March 2011 7:51AM
Les Nicol: Thanks. The download is listed on the Freeview and Freesat set-top box updates | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice page.
Strathearn
Monday 7 March 2011 3:38PM
Les Nicol - The Technisat HDFS - 'just double checking, but could you confirm the radio EPG, pause, rewind live radio and the ability to record programme series etc., is all available.... and that iPlayer is still ONLY available if the box is connected to the Internet?
Briantist
Monday 7 March 2011 4:25PM
Strathearn: The iPlayer is an internet service. That's what the "i" stands for "internet".
Strathearn
Monday 7 March 2011 7:43PM
Briantist: That may be so, but a cabled Virgin Media box offers iPlayer without an internet connection.
Briantist
Monday 7 March 2011 8:07PM
Strathearn: I think you will find that there is an internet connection to the back of the cable box.
Strathearn
Monday 7 March 2011 8:31PM
Briantist: Using the VM red button gives access to the TV platform BBC iPlayer..... no internet connection.
Briantist
Monday 7 March 2011 8:37PM
Strathearn: It is an internet connection. What else do you call a TCP/IP connection?
It's got an IP address and everything. If you attach to the back of the box you can do all the usual TCP/IP things.
Do you think it's "magic" or something?
I've only been an networking expert for what .. a couple of decades. You'd think I would know by now.
lesnicol
Monday 7 March 2011 10:39PM
Strathern - iPlayer requires broadband internet access. As does ITV Player. You can record Live radio and TV and you can series record - I recorded the hellimed series and currently doing likewise with Mrs Browns Boys. Whilst you can record live radio you can't "re - wind". A catch-up service is available through iPlayer
Trevor Harris
Wednesday 9 March 2011 11:49AM
Going from 56 to 3 HD channels is hardly an UPGRADE!!!!
Briantist
Wednesday 9 March 2011 12:27PM
Trevor Harris: Going from paying a fortune to nothing certainly is.
Nigel
Wednesday 9 March 2011 10:24PM
Do the freesat boxes have the ability to rewind instantly for live tv. i.e. does it cache 30+ mins of video like Sky+ and also if you've watched 20 minutes of a film and you press record, as long as I haven't turned it over to another channel wil it record what I've watched and the remaining time of the movie?
Nigel
Wednesday 9 March 2011 10:29PM
When I say instant rewind, I mean like watching the live tv rugby and seeing a brilliant try and then hitting rewind to see it again :-) it seems the players i've looked at don't have this feature and seems to be sky+ that only have this! is this true?
Briantist
Thursday 10 March 2011 5:43AM
Nigel: Yes.
DAS TV
Thursday 10 March 2011 10:47AM
For clarification (I think) Freesat and Sky are pretty much interchangeable as units go. The major differences come in terms of channels available. Not quite sure how people are confusing themselves with the technicalities of it all.

Excellent article as ever Brian.
Briantist
Thursday 10 March 2011 12:40PM
DAS TV: There is the small matter of being able to play/pause/record with Freesat+HD without a subscription, which makes quite a lot of difference.

You get a radio EPG (including record) with Freesat and radio stations have the MEHG5 interactive services.
DAS TV
Thursday 10 March 2011 5:14PM
My point was only that one box can sit where the other does currently without too much palava. What an individual expects from that box of course impinges on what they think of the respective services.
Briantist
Thursday 10 March 2011 5:40PM
DAS TV: Yes, the point of this page was to answer the "what happens when I stop subscribing to Sky+/Sky+HD" question that comes up every five minutes.
technophobe
Friday 11 March 2011 4:54PM
As my user name implies,I am technically illiterate so please bear with me if my query seems banal.
Why do I need to enter my postcode at stage 3 ? Also why can non Sky users only get 3 HD channels with ITV 2,3 & 4 HD only available through the purchase of a complete Sky HD package ? What is the TV license for if it only covers limited HD output ?
Rodlv
Saturday 12 March 2011 4:54PM London
Briantist: What Freeview+box woud you recommend for a budget of £150-200. What are you currently using?
Briantist
Tuesday 15 March 2011 6:37AM
Rodlv: As I have not the facilities to test all equipment, I do not feel able to make recommendations based on facts.

For personal use, I have Windows 7 Media Centre with a Hauupauge Nova-DT Dual DVB-T Tuner, but that is for use with an existing PC.
Briantist
Tuesday 15 March 2011 6:39AM
technophobe: You need to enter a postcode to get the correct BBC and ITV regions.

ITV2,3 and 4 HD are exclusive to Sky as Sky have paid ITV to do this.

The TV Licence pays for the BBC only and you can get all BBC services for free on all platforms.
Ted Bellamy
Wednesday 16 March 2011 11:18PM
with a mobile sat dish I locate Astra2 satellite
if I use my existing Sky dish do I need to realign to get different channels? Also I have seen cards advertised to used in Sky+ box to receive freesat, do these work and are they legal?
Les Nicol
Thursday 17 March 2011 8:54AM Edinburgh
Ted Bellamy - SKY are in the business of subscription TV. However if you are not a subscriber you can obtain for a one off payment around £25 a FSFS (free sat from sky card) - If you wish to make use of the record play pause facility on your SKY Plus receiver you will have to subscribe to a monthly package to have this feature enabled. Alternatively you could consider buying your own "Freesat" receiver - the service supported by the BBC and ITV. Scroll up to the page header and click on the "Freesat" tab for options.
Whilst you can make use 0f your SKY dish to
re-align to other satellites it's design and size isn't the the best for this purpose and you would require an FTA (Free to Air receiver) to pick up European channel services.
ernieg
Friday 18 March 2011 4:09PM
I have a Sky Sports subscription and a flat screen digital TV downstairs with a Sky HD Box.

Upstairs I have a analogue TV with a Magic eye connection (To allow me to watch same Sky TV as on Downstairs TV) connected to RF IN socket of my Video recorder to TV aerial with scart connections to the TV and a DVD Player to a multi Scart swocket Lead.

On changeover to digital I am contemplating The purchase of either a new Freeview TV, a new Freeview PVR or new Freesat HD Box.

Which of the above is the best alternative to be able to connect the Magic eye to continue to receive Sky progames on my upstairs TV and do all the alternatives have a RF In socket to allow this.
Mr S M Davies
Sunday 27 March 2011 9:20PM
Briantist. I was under the impression that the Humax Foxsat HDR which is a Freesat+ box WILL NOT record from the buffer? However I think a Sky+ box will record form the buffer. A critical difference don't you think so. Nigel asked this earlier. It was not clearly answered? I must say though I am a huge fan of the Foxsat. Thanks.
Mark Aberfan Aerials
Monday 28 March 2011 3:41PM
Hi ernieg.

If you buy a device called a Triax Tri link you can buy any freesat/freeview box & even a blu ray player & have full magic eye functions.

Mark Aberfan Aerials
Mike Dimmick
Monday 28 March 2011 7:08PM Reading
Mr S M Davies: I don't have a Freesat box, but I do have a Humax PVR-9200T Freeview+ recorder. If you pause a programme, then later hit record, it will record from the point in the programme that you paused it, which I think is what you mean by 'will record from the buffer'. If you want to keep the whole programme I seem to recall you have to rewind to the beginning, but it's been a while since I've tried it.

The Foxsat-HDR manual does not say that this is possible, but it does not say that it is not. The PVR-9200T manual says that it starts recording from the time you press record, rather than the time on the bar, but this is definitely no longer true!
LutonFan
Monday 28 March 2011 9:23PM
Mr S M Davies- Further to Mike's post, when the user changes channel, it starts recording without you asking it to do so.

You can rewind up to the point of you changing the channel over and the machine will then go into 'play mode'. This is my understanding of recording onto the 'buffer'.

In the manual, it states you can only record one channel and not watch another, if you only have one dish input. I have only one connection and the box will allow the user to watch another channel as long as it is in the same group(transponder). The recording onto the buffer works even if you are recording one channel and change onto another in the same grouping.

I admit I am not aware of how long it will record to the buffer, but I left the channel on for 20 minutes and the box allowed me to rewind to the point of me changing channel. I assume it would record until you changed channel again.

Hope this helps.
Les Nicol
Monday 28 March 2011 10:23PM
S.M.Davies - Mike Dimmick> The Foxsat HDR functions as the Freeview 9200T. I've not used this before but carried out this function in recording and pausing tonights episode of "Waking the Dead" with Trevor Eve and Sue Johnstone. It confirms this capability
Les Nicol
Tuesday 29 March 2011 11:17AM
P>S To add to my post I have checked out a Technisat "Freesat" single tuner PVR receiver and this manages this as well As an aside this receiver makes an ideal choice if your resident either as an owner or tenant in a flat where there is a communal dish but only single feeds and outlet boxes can be connected to
Mr S M Davies
Wednesday 30 March 2011 8:31PM
Right lads.
I am comparing the Foxsat HDR box with a Sky+HD box. As I said previously a Foxsat will not record from the buffer as a Sky+ box will.
I am fully aware that if you do not change channels on the Foxsat it holds onto the buffer so you can pause and rewind live tv. But say you start watching a show from the start and 15mins in you want to record the whole show from the start on to DISC you cannot on a Foxsat.
This is what I call recording the buffer.
If you just rewind to the start of the show and press record a warning pops up to tell you that Live tv will resume.
A critical difference I think to a Sky+ box which does handle this situation.
Lee
Friday 1 April 2011 7:26AM
In response to the first question asked, if you're looking for a cheaper option, there is a fantastic freesat HD box that costs a little over £100. The 'Technisat HDFS' Freesat tuner can pause live tv (timeshift) and it can also record programs (but only at one time) as it has a single LNB input. Currently £119 plus free delivery, I chose it as a cheaper alternative. All you need is a USB memory stick (approx 16GB) if you want say a few recordings and to pause live tv.

I have chosen this option and my second LNB input is currently redundant for the time being. I'm just waiting for the prices to drop for a decent PVR. Manhattan are releasing a great Freesat HD+ PVR this summer with additional online content besides BBC iPlayer and ITV player. Should be retailing at £179.
Mike Dimmick
Friday 1 April 2011 4:34PM
Mr S M Davies: I suggest you send a suggestion to Humax! They've generally been willing to enhance their equipment in the past - as I said, the PVR-9200T didn't originally record from the buffer. Freeview didn't even have Series Link features when I bought the box in 2006 (I think it was), and the PVR-9200T has been upgraded to complete Freeview+ support.

Do check you already have the latest firmware - www.humaxdigital.com link icon 
Welcome to HUMAX [UK]
- though I don't see any reference to this in the release notes. The box should have auto-updated to this version already as it's been broadcast repeatedly on the engineering channel, although some boxes have to be in standby to auto-update. (RG47SH)
Rodlv
Wednesday 13 April 2011 9:31AM London
Can someone please help. A communal dish and aerial has recently been installed in a block of flats I live in. The box fixed on the skirting board has 2 points for Sky/satellite, 1 for normal aerial, and one for radio. This box has been placed near my TV in the living room. Is there a splitter I could buy so that I can have Sky/Satellite connection for my TV in my bedroom which is directly below the living room. I plan to run a cable through the window then into my bedroom. Is there a better of doing this?

I look forward to some help. Thanks
Rodlv
Wednesday 13 April 2011 9:36AM London
P.S.

This is my last week of Sky TV. I am trying to decide which one to choose, Freesat or Freeview. Please help.
linleyw
Wednesday 13 April 2011 10:13AM Ross-on-wye
Hi, firstly thanks for providing this resource.

I've decided to drop Sky+ in favour of a Humax HDR Fox T2 (tell me if i shouldn't, but calculate it will pay for itself within 6 months, bearing in mind I'm paying for a second Sky box (£15 monthly) for an upper floor.

My main questions are : I have existing sky dish cabling to ground floor, first floor and second floor. Do I therefore need a freeview box for each floor ? (I do not wish to use an eye transmitter or run additional cabling). If I choose, say, an HD+ box for the ground floor (2 incoming sky cables), presumably I buy a basic freeview box for each other required floor (one existing sky cable to each). Will this setup allow each of the three freeview boxes to watch different channels at the same time, bearing in mind the cables all terminate at one dish.

Thanks for your kind help

LW
Briantist
Wednesday 13 April 2011 11:00AM
linleyw: You must use FreeSAT boxes with satellite connections, FreeVIEW only works with a television aerial.
linleyw
Wednesday 13 April 2011 11:22AM Ross-on-wye
Brilliant - thanks for such a fast response. Otherwise, will 3 boxes show different channels if attached to one dish (by independent cabling to each box) ?



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