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BBC/ITV Freesat - Spring 08

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition  guaranteed
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We've been reporting about BBC Freesat since early 2006

The BBC's service, which is now set to launch in spring 2008, will provide a "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The boxes will provide a HDTV satellite version of the popular Freeview service, with a number of BBC, ITV channels in high definition plus all the existing services that the current Freesat service provides.

The BBC and ITV Freesat service will also provide an alternate (but compatible) electronic programme guide (EPG), and will provide interactive services.

Currently both Channel 4 and five have agreements with Sky which require their channels (with the exception of Film4) to require the use of a "Freesat From Sky" card. This means that you currently need to purchase a card from Sky Subscriber Services Ltd for 20 to watch Channel 4, five, Five US, Five Life and Sky Three.

Whilst this card is included as part of the 150 cost of Freesat From Sky, Sky have in the past invalidated the existing cards and demanded payment for a new one from Freesat users. Last time Sky did this the telephone number that was provided told customers that the must subscribe and mislead callers telling them no replacement cards were available!

The BBC/ITV service will have several potential uses:

  1. a box-swap replacement to upgrade an existing Freesat from Sky or Sky subscription box for a box with HDTV services;
  2. a box-swap replacement for a Sky+ box for a HDTV satellite personal video recorder;
  3. a multi-room installation with an existing dish fitted with a quad-LNB;
  4. connection to a Windows Vista Media Centre or Windows Home Server;
Mark Thompson (BBC Director-General) said "The BBC's objective in launching Freesat is to support Digital Switchover by providing another way for licence payers to receive digital television channels and radio services, subscription free from the BBC and ITV.

"Its primary purpose is to drive digital take-up in analogue homes, particularly in those areas which are out of digital terrestrial coverage. Freesat also offers a trusted free-to-view digital upgrade path that gives licence payers all the benefits of digital television (notably high definition capability) guaranteed free of subscription."

Michael Grade (ITV Executive Chairman) said "Freesat will build on the success of Freeview by offering viewers a simple and cost effective way of upgrading to digital TV. By filling in the current gaps in Freeview coverage, Freesat will ensure that a free-to-air, no strings attached option for accessing digital TV is available to the whole of the UK ahead of digital switchover. By offering HD capability we will future proof Freesat if, as expected, high definition television continues to capture the imagination of UK viewers."

What channels will be provided?

The current single-channel HDTV service for the BBC is only a test service. It seems reasonable that the BBC will provide the main channels in HD resolution. This will probably not extend to the BBC regional news services, and may not initially include the national variations in HD.

ITV1 is the only network of theirs with regional variations, so again a "Network" version of the channel will be provided in HD, with SDTV potentially regional adverts inserted. It seems reasonable that ITV2, ITV3, ITV4 and CITV will also broadcast in HD.

It seems that the other public service broadcasters, Channel 4, five and S4C will want to get on board. This will require E4, C4, More4, five, five Life and five US to change their broadcasts, or for the new BBC Freesat to simulcast these channels as HD.

Channel 4 told the Guardian that the channel "currently has exclusive [digital satellite] carriage deals in place with Sky Digital for the majority of its channels (other than for Film4, which is broadcast free-to-air). Under the Communications Act we would expect to become subject to obligations to ensure the availability of the core channel on all satellite platforms, which would require that Channel 4 was available on Freesat."

As for the other non-public service Freeview channels:
  1. Ftn, The Hits, TMF, UKTV Bright Ideas, UKTV History are locked into Sky subscription agreements, but obviously it would be to the benefit of Freesat if these channels could be made available to the extra 2.5 million homes.
  2. Sky Sports News is a subscription service on satellite and Sky Three would have to go free-to-air, which may happen to show Sky's benevolence.
  3. Sky News is broadcast free-to-air.






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Mark Aberfan Aerials
Sunday 4 July 2010 2:23PM
Hi Les,

The sooner Echostar get to market the better, I can see a large potential market for this product.
If they added freeview to this it would be even more of a killer product !

Mark Aberfan Aerials
Les Nicol
Sunday 4 July 2010 5:52PM
Mark - This development was muted a number of months back and it's great it's now going ahead. Like you I see a huge potential in the market place for this. Wonder about "News Corp's" reaction to this though?
Les Nicol
Sunday 4 July 2010 5:58PM
P.S. Might also be DRM issues if as is proposed Video clipping and forwarding these on.
Mark Aberfan Aerials
Sunday 4 July 2010 10:04PM
Hi Les,

If news corp makes any noise, someone should as them why sky italia broadcasts a english language commentary audio stream during british football matches if its not to ecourage sales of italian sky cards to british pubs & clubs not willing to pay sky uk for overpriced comercial subscriptions.

With regard to any objections & the matter of DRM as far as i know sling boxes narrowcast the channel to one device only as opposed to streaming sites that broadcast the output to multiple viewers.

Mark Aberfan Aerials
Les Nicol
Monday 5 July 2010 7:43AM
Mark - Echostar will most likely along with "Freesat have thought these issues through. I'd like to hear Brian's take on this.
Les Nicol
Monday 19 July 2010 3:05PM
"What Sat" from Guardian press release - "Freest" may offer viewers the chance to subscribe to Sky Sports 1 and 2 via a third party. This would be subject to SKY losing it's Ofcom appeal and the approval of the BBC Trust who were originally opposed to pay per view on the "Freesat" platform. "Freesat" would if given the "Green" light employ CAS system.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 3 August 2010 10:23AM
On listening to BBC's 5Live this morning and as a follow up to ITV's profit announcement a media correspondent made mention of some ITV channels 2 3 etc mpoving to SKY on a pay per view basis - Just wondering where this would leave "Freesat" were this to come to fruition!!!!
Les Nicol
Tuesday 3 August 2010 10:38AM
Just to add - on a repeat listening - these would be HD transmissions - Same applies though as regards "Freesat" where this placee this service.
TIMH
Tuesday 3 August 2010 1:45PM Arundel
From what I have read Fressat would remain unchanged - still HD for ITV1 and SD for 2,3 & 4.

No loss really - I mean who would pay to watch a HD version of Rising Damp?
Les Nicol
Tuesday 3 August 2010 5:35PM
TIMH - Would probably agree with you in that. What does p.ss me off though is that there is still no sign of Channel4HD coming onto the "Freesat" platform and it seems increasingly unlikely that it ever will - despite being largely publicly bankrolled. Wonder how much of the BBC's licence money goes in being platformed on SKY?
Briantist
Tuesday 3 August 2010 8:39PM
Les Nicol: Sounds like a good subject for a Freedom of Information request!
Les Nicol
Friday 20 August 2010 9:15AM
ITV Player reported as launching on "Freesat" this Autumn.
Briantist
Friday 20 August 2010 9:20AM
Les Nicol: Not to be confused with Apple iTV, launching this Autumn.
Les Nicol
Friday 20 August 2010 9:27AM
Brian 0 Apparently will also be made available on Sony Play Station by end of the year - Statement from ITV.
Les Nicol
Friday 20 August 2010 9:30AM
Addendum - Beta testing first on selected brands.
Briantist
Friday 20 August 2010 1:04PM
Les Nicol: Yes, I thought I had put a link to that in the Newsbucket... ITV Player to go on PlayStation 3 | Media | guardian.co.uk - I have now.
Les Nicol
Thursday 2 September 2010 8:03AM
Brian - Re my earlier post about how much of the BBC licence money goes to SKY in carriage payment. It seems - listening and watching Mark Thompson deliver his lecture from Edinburgh that nothing is paid and nothing comes back from SKY either to the BBC. Thompson did make the point about money coming back to the others though - ITV etc to invest in more home grown programming and a much greater investment on their part in the same. I still have to wonder though why it's a continuing necessity for the BBC and ITV and channel 4 to carriage with SKY when they have the Freeview and Freesat platforms available to them. Seems that SKY gets a free ride here. - Think they might also get their fingers burnt financially with carriaging their other channels in HD - Who on earth is going to fork out in increased subscription levies? Those doing so must have money to burn.
Les Nicol
Thursday 2 September 2010 8:14AM
P>S> Adam Crozier made a proper "Ass" in his previous post with the P.O. Be interesting to see if he can turn ITV around - mind you his weakness seems in "man" management and he doesn't have to cope with the numbers in terms of ITV that he had with the P.O. nor the more powerful communication Workers Union.
Briantist
Tuesday 7 September 2010 8:08AM
Les Nicol: That's right, and I had a little to do with the situation too, as I provided the information to the BBC that allowed them to do it.

The satellites belong to SES Astra, the BBC rents the satellite space directly from the company. ITV also does this.

The BBC has to make a small payment for the interface to the Sky EPG, but that is all.

So, there is no difference for the BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 being on "Freesat" and "Sky" as these are actually just free to air Astra broadcasts.

Sky claim to have 3 million HD customers.
les Nicol
Tuesday 7 September 2010 8:37AM
Brian - I probably didn't make my point clear regards HD. Was refering to ITV's decision to opt for carriage on SKY for their other channals - Whose going to want to pay up an extra £10 per month on top of their existing subs? The channel content on these servies are archives and good content for the most part but are they going to improve them visually that much to justify £120 per annum for those opting for delivery in HD.
Briantist
Tuesday 7 September 2010 9:12AM
les Nicol: Sky has 3,000,000 customers that pay the extra £10 a month. It gets you only those channels that are in your package in HD. ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4 HD will be provided to all HD subscribers, so the £10 is not just for these channels but all the ones you have in your package. www.guardian.co.uk link icon  BSkyB signs up 3 millionth subscriber to high-definition television service | Media | guardian.co.uk .
les Nicol
Wednesday 8 September 2010 2:46PM
Brian - Thanks, seems some not just me, were under the impression that an additional £10 per month was being asked for with the inclusion of these ITV channels
Briantist
Wednesday 8 September 2010 2:55PM
les Nicol: No, it's a way of adding an extra £10 a month to the basic subscription price for providing the same channels again, some of which are in HD some of the time.
Les Nicol
Friday 29 October 2010 8:08AM
Freesat receiver of the year: Technisat HDFS comes out on top as offering the best all round features.
Briantist
Friday 29 October 2010 8:16AM
Les Nicol: Yes, I saw that, I'm not sure who was doing the awarding, but it sounds about right.
Les Nicol
Friday 29 October 2010 8:19AM
Brian - "What Satellite" and "Home Cinema Choice"
Les Nicol
Friday 29 October 2010 8:41AM
P.S.An observation I have made with the Technisat is that it performs better on iPlayer than the others. eg: You get as good a picture quality in standard mode as the performance on my Humax DTR, but having to opt for the higher quality playback via the iPlayer web page facility.
Briantist
Friday 29 October 2010 9:03AM
Les Nicol: Having got such a nice write-up from WhatSat, I should probably have known that.
Les Nicol
Sunday 31 October 2010 8:03AM
Brian - STV HD - It's available on FTA but I understand they are having issues with SKY on this one when it comes to running it on Freesat - Can you clarify what's going on?
Mike Dimmick
Sunday 31 October 2010 3:45PM Reading
Les Nicol: according to Lyngsat, ITV1 HD Granada and STV HD West are on a Sky transponder. I believe that in order to appear properly on both Sky and Freesat programme guides, the transponder has to carry both sets of service information. With Sky in charge of the multiplex, they can delay horribly in getting this done. The BBC have to indicate that certain Red Button content isn't available on Freesat because the streams on 12441V are on a Sky transponder.

In fairness, Sky's legacy SD boxes are now pushing the limits of the EPG memory and they have to be careful not to exceed it - something you can do if you supplied the boxes. They stopped allowing new SD channels to be added to their queue in 2007. New HD channels are allowed to launch because the EPG data for them, that the SD boxes see, just shows the channel name rather than the full programme guide.
Les Nicol
Sunday 31 October 2010 7:47PM
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RTÉ to launch free TV satellite service along with digital rollout

By Seán McCárthaigh

Thursday, July 15, 2010

RTÉ is to launch a free TV satellite service next year in conjunction with its plans to provide Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) to replace existing analogue services which must be switched off by 2012.


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RTÉ confirmed yesterday that it will launch its DTT multiplex a bundle of TV channels to be called Saorview — to the public from early next summer.

Around the same time it is expected that the national broadcaster will launch its Saorsat satellite service which will provide signals for the main domestic TV stations on a free-to-air, unencrypted bas


Read more: www.examiner.ie link icon RTÉ to launch free TV satellite service along with digital rollout | Irish Examiner
Les Nicol
Sunday 31 October 2010 8:00PM
Brian, Couldn't edit this to make it shorter - nevertheless it's of interest in termes of future planing by RTE.
Mike Dimmick
Monday 1 November 2010 5:18PM Reading
Les Nicol: if that frees up a transponder on 2D I think Freesat will be happy - unless Sky simply use the opportunity to launch a bunch of new channels.

Of course existing Irish users of Sky are unlikely to be happy that they need new equipment to view Irish PSB channels.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 2 November 2010 11:53AM
Mike Dimmick - Seems a bit short-sighted of broadcasters other than SKy not to have co-operated as a group with direct leasing of trahsponders from Astra and Eutelsat thus giving them a more independent platform(s).
Les Nicol
Thursday 4 November 2010 7:57AM
Radio5 Livw this am - Isee that Vince Cable has put the cat amongst the pigeons this morning regarding News Internationals bid for all of BSKYB.- Now Likely this bid will be referred to OFCOM.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 10 November 2010 11:08PM
Brian - I see that Eurosat have a new entry SD "Freesat" receiver which should go head to head with Harvard Group. I understand it has better connectivity and from past experience of their receivers having had an FTA 500ST with an onboard 36 volt positioner they were an extremely well built and reliable receiver,
Will be interesting to see what future models may appear from this stable and if it might prompt Technomate to follow suit.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 10 November 2010 11:11PM
P>S Oops! left out - Its a Manhattan.
Briantist
Thursday 11 November 2010 7:25AM
Les Nicol: Yes, I saw that press release.
Les Nicol
Sunday 5 December 2010 4:35PM
Brian - Having watched Mark Thompson's Andrew Marr,interview this morning I wonder where this leaves "Freeview" and particularly the "Freesat" service and receivers where in "Freesat's" case most of the current receivers have interactive capability and in the case of the HUMAX DTR Pay Per View capability as well. (noting that these services are part of the overall range of content likely to be available).......... It seems not so much of what Mark Thompson,stated, but rather omitted in his interview this morning!
Briantist
Sunday 5 December 2010 6:43PM
Les Nicol: Yes, but he does usually looked like a rabbit in the headlights when he has to discuss anything technical.

YouView devices will be both in both Freeview HD and Freesat HD flavours.
Les Nicol
Saturday 18 December 2010 8:34PM
Freesat Channels 901 and 903 added as BBC and ITV players although ITV player Logo messaging as starting early 2011
Les Nicol
Sunday 19 December 2010 9:06AM
Brian, Whilst LG seems to have dropped their intgrated Freesat TV's, I see that Samsung is to bring in a range of integrated "Freesat" TV's and a range of standalone receivers. Presumably these will also be "You View" compatible. No word yet of the proposed "Echostar" "Sling Box" combo though?
Briantist
Tuesday 21 December 2010 7:48AM
Les Nicol: Which makes you wonder what 902 will be... Is this much easier than pressing "red"?
Briantist
Tuesday 21 December 2010 7:56AM
Les Nicol: I seems a bit of a leap to expect that Freesat equipment will be "Youview compatible".
Les Nicol
Tuesday 21 December 2010 8:27AM
Brian, I wondered whether 902 might be for STV Player at some point? Their HD issue still not resolved although available FTA.
Briantist
Tuesday 21 December 2010 8:29AM
Les Nicol: Or perhaps YouView will be on 902?
Les Nicol
Tuesday 21 December 2010 8:50AM
Re "YouView" I would certainly hope that there's compatibility for those with "Feeview""Freesat" and perhaps BT Vision. At least with some of these receivers recognising that basic boxes might not manage. Out laying another £200 or so for another receiver in the present climate ...I don't think so! OK maybe if your thinking of replacing dated equipment. To "Kick Start" a new service such as "You View" without some backward compatibility - Hardly forward thinking marketing strategy.
Briantist
Tuesday 21 December 2010 8:54AM
Les Nicol: You can see most of the technical stuff (unofficially) at Homepage - The Project Canvas wiki .
Les Nicol
Wednesday 22 December 2010 8:24AM
Thought I'd be the the first to offer Vince Cable congratulations on giving Rupert Murdoch the green light in his acquisition of BSKYB..............!!!!
Briantist
Wednesday 22 December 2010 8:29AM
Les Nicol: I doubt very much it will work out that way.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 22 December 2010 9:08AM
I don't know Brian, Being guarded in not making the same mistake as Mr Naughty on Radio 4. But I rather think Jeremy Hun t will be just as biased in the other direction as Vince Cable was. Congratulations though on BBC News for their scoop on this one.
Briantist
Wednesday 22 December 2010 9:11AM
Les Nicol: Yes, but you forget about Sky's never ending ability to question official decisions.

If Vince had made the decision, they would have been going for judicial reviews and the like.

Jeremy Hunt, on the other hand, is either pro-free-market and wants diversity and will resist Mr M.

Conversely, if he is seen as helping Mr M, others will question HIS ability to make the decision, on the "Vince-grounds".

All this had done is make the spat more public, which is always good in a democracy.



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