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BBC/ITV Freesat - Spring 08

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition  guaranteed
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We've been reporting about BBC Freesat since early 2006

The BBC's service, which is now set to launch in spring 2008, will provide a "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The boxes will provide a HDTV satellite version of the popular Freeview service, with a number of BBC, ITV channels in high definition plus all the existing services that the current Freesat service provides.

The BBC and ITV Freesat service will also provide an alternate (but compatible) electronic programme guide (EPG), and will provide interactive services.

Currently both Channel 4 and five have agreements with Sky which require their channels (with the exception of Film4) to require the use of a "Freesat From Sky" card. This means that you currently need to purchase a card from Sky Subscriber Services Ltd for 20 to watch Channel 4, five, Five US, Five Life and Sky Three.

Whilst this card is included as part of the 150 cost of Freesat From Sky, Sky have in the past invalidated the existing cards and demanded payment for a new one from Freesat users. Last time Sky did this the telephone number that was provided told customers that the must subscribe and mislead callers telling them no replacement cards were available!

The BBC/ITV service will have several potential uses:

  1. a box-swap replacement to upgrade an existing Freesat from Sky or Sky subscription box for a box with HDTV services;
  2. a box-swap replacement for a Sky+ box for a HDTV satellite personal video recorder;
  3. a multi-room installation with an existing dish fitted with a quad-LNB;
  4. connection to a Windows Vista Media Centre or Windows Home Server;
Mark Thompson (BBC Director-General) said "The BBC's objective in launching Freesat is to support Digital Switchover by providing another way for licence payers to receive digital television channels and radio services, subscription free from the BBC and ITV.

"Its primary purpose is to drive digital take-up in analogue homes, particularly in those areas which are out of digital terrestrial coverage. Freesat also offers a trusted free-to-view digital upgrade path that gives licence payers all the benefits of digital television (notably high definition capability) guaranteed free of subscription."

Michael Grade (ITV Executive Chairman) said "Freesat will build on the success of Freeview by offering viewers a simple and cost effective way of upgrading to digital TV. By filling in the current gaps in Freeview coverage, Freesat will ensure that a free-to-air, no strings attached option for accessing digital TV is available to the whole of the UK ahead of digital switchover. By offering HD capability we will future proof Freesat if, as expected, high definition television continues to capture the imagination of UK viewers."

What channels will be provided?

The current single-channel HDTV service for the BBC is only a test service. It seems reasonable that the BBC will provide the main channels in HD resolution. This will probably not extend to the BBC regional news services, and may not initially include the national variations in HD.

ITV1 is the only network of theirs with regional variations, so again a "Network" version of the channel will be provided in HD, with SDTV potentially regional adverts inserted. It seems reasonable that ITV2, ITV3, ITV4 and CITV will also broadcast in HD.

It seems that the other public service broadcasters, Channel 4, five and S4C will want to get on board. This will require E4, C4, More4, five, five Life and five US to change their broadcasts, or for the new BBC Freesat to simulcast these channels as HD.

Channel 4 told the Guardian that the channel "currently has exclusive [digital satellite] carriage deals in place with Sky Digital for the majority of its channels (other than for Film4, which is broadcast free-to-air). Under the Communications Act we would expect to become subject to obligations to ensure the availability of the core channel on all satellite platforms, which would require that Channel 4 was available on Freesat."

As for the other non-public service Freeview channels:
  1. Ftn, The Hits, TMF, UKTV Bright Ideas, UKTV History are locked into Sky subscription agreements, but obviously it would be to the benefit of Freesat if these channels could be made available to the extra 2.5 million homes.
  2. Sky Sports News is a subscription service on satellite and Sky Three would have to go free-to-air, which may happen to show Sky's benevolence.
  3. Sky News is broadcast free-to-air.






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Les Nicol
Friday 26 September 2008 11:32AM
Brian -- Anyone else interesyed. -- From "What Hi fi web site Humax Freesat PVR for luanch at the Excel show in London at the end of October.
Briantist
Friday 26 September 2008 3:31PM
Les Nicol: Yes, I posted that on the Recommended Reading RSS feed earlier today... www.ukfree.tv link icon ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - recommended reading or see the box in the right hand column.
Briantist
Tuesday 30 September 2008 1:53PM
Les Nicol: I will have to get a box to find out I guess...
Les Nicol
Thursday 2 October 2008 6:52AM
Brian -- I notice that Sky has lost it's apeal to to a UK government tribunal ordering it to sell off the bulk of it's stake in ITV ie: reduce it's stake from 17.5% down to 7.5% with Virgin continuing to demand that Sky sell off all their ITV interests. It's back over to Sky with a possible appeal to the House of Lords. Be interesting to see the final outcome. Suppose it depends on how many of the Lords are in Rupert Murdoch's pocket!!!
Briantist
Thursday 2 October 2008 7:57AM
Les Nicol: They simply don't have a chance, they have lost twice and the Lords is much less corrupted than elsewhere these days (which is a very sad state of affairs!) I've got my fingers crossed for them that the value of ITV drops even more between now and them, that would show them!
Les Nicol
Thursday 2 October 2008 10:16AM
Brian -- I see there some prospect of Freesat HDTV allowiing for greater capacity on Astra 3B launching late 2009. Wondered if you had heard any of this.
NottsUK
Thursday 2 October 2008 10:32AM Nottingham
Les Nicol: Astra 3B will be joining Astra 3A at orbital position 23.5 degrees East. This will have no effect on the Astra 2 satallites at 28.2 degrees East. So it will not contribute to Freesat HDTV.
Briantist
Thursday 2 October 2008 10:42AM
Les Nicol: Astra 2E is supposed to launch in 2011, this will add capacity for Freesat HD channels.
NottsUK
Thursday 2 October 2008 11:07AM Nottingham
Briantist: I wonder if the Astra 2E satellite is going to replace Astra 2A. Astra 2A was launched on the 30 Aug 1998 this means by 2011 it will be 14 years old. I believe the life expectancy of a satellite is 15 years before it starts to lose power and transponders have to be switched off. No doubt Astra 2E will have a larger transponder capacity than Astra 2A.
Briantist
Thursday 2 October 2008 11:24AM
NottsUK: I don't think so, from memory, 2E will be focussed on the UK like 2D.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 8 October 2008 5:33PM
Brian -- Good article in the current edition of "Micromart". It gives a step by step illustrated guide to installing a larger capacity HDD drive to the Sky plus HD box. In doing so it doesn't half expose how much of the installed drive's capacity that is reserved. This highlights how they have reorganized the drive as part of Sky's strategy to get you to pay more for services,it has Anytime TV. This is a big chunk of the Hard Drive that's allocated to it's use and this space isn't recoverable for the user. Of the HD+ Box with it's 300gb drive of which 160gb is usable 140gb is taken by Sky. In step 2 of the upgrade guide it goes on to illustrate-- "Around the back are some interesting ports, including USB eSata and LAN. Surely these could be useful in expanding the storage capabilities? No, they're not, because while Sky's technical people were smart enough to include them, others in Sky made sure they're never used!
Briantist
Wednesday 8 October 2008 9:54PM
Les Nicol: Ah more Sky monopolistic behaviour is exposed! Yeah, I know a bit about the set top boxes hardware and software and that all sounds spot on.
Les Nicol
Sunday 12 October 2008 7:11AM
Brian -- Lip sync problem raising it's head again since last Humax update. Have you noticed this on your box?
Briantist
Sunday 12 October 2008 5:31PM
Les Nicol: I haven't notice that problem, but I'm not with the box right now.
Les Nicol
Monday 13 October 2008 6:53AM
Brian I have since heard that the lip-sync problem is around with other HD boxes and not simply aligned to Humax and Freesat
Briantist
Monday 13 October 2008 8:49AM
Les Nicol: I see that Humax are claming that there isn't a problem, above the usual problem of synchronising packetized audio data, which I thought we sorted about a decade ago...
Les Nicol
Wednesday 15 October 2008 4:25PM
Brian - Panasonic PVR with 500gb Hard Drive and Blue Ray in the second quarter of 2009!
Briantist
Wednesday 15 October 2008 5:17PM
Les Nicol: Do you have a link for that?
Les Nicol
Wednesday 15 October 2008 5:44PM
Brian - Happy to provide --- "Join Freesat".
Briantist
Wednesday 15 October 2008 6:13PM
Les Nicol: OK. I'll see if I can get the source.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 15 October 2008 10:19PM
Brian - Source would appear to be from PVR Junction.
Briantist
Thursday 16 October 2008 7:22AM
Les Nicol: Sorry, I meant my contact at Panasonic... For UK Free TV, the only source is the original one!
Briantist
Friday 17 October 2008 1:55PM
Les Nicol: It seems that it wasn't true! Panasonic quashes Freesat Blu-ray PVR rumours
Les Nicol
Friday 17 October 2008 5:42PM
Brian - Thanks for pursuing that. Having clicked on the "What Satellite" link and read the response from Panasonic it would seem that the possibility isn't quite "killed Off." So who knows what the future might bring.
Briantist
Friday 17 October 2008 5:54PM
Les Nicol: Seems someone confused a DVB-T box with a DVB-S2 one!
Les Nicol
Friday 17 October 2008 7:56PM
Brian - I think the issue here is commercial viabilty or otherwise. All that the Vantage 8000S DVB-T lacks is "Freesat" and the inclusion of Blu-Ray. It'd also BBC and ITV HD capable as well as having multiple connectivity.
Briantist
Friday 17 October 2008 8:19PM
Les Nicol: So it's Freesat except for the Freesat bit!
Les Nicol
Friday 17 October 2008 8:34PM
Brian - I should have also mentioned the Technomate 6900 - Now with a Blind Search upgrade capability and marketed as 6900 Super with 2 DBS/DVBS2 and DVB-T tuners but obviously without "Freesat". Again listing ITV HD as a channel in picking up H.222 Data Stream via Eurobird 1 11426 Horizontal Service ID 10510 etc.
Les Nicol
Friday 17 October 2008 8:45PM
Brian - The point yet again that I am making is why are "Freesat" not engaging with these manufacturers where it would appear that apart from the "Freesat" element they currently have well featured and tried technology. Surely such engagement would speed up consumer choice. The Technomate as an example isn't that far above the projected price of the forthcoming Humax PVR at £389.00 but that's with a 500GB HDD and the Freeview tuner with upscaling.
Briantist
Saturday 18 October 2008 3:24PM
Les Nicol: The Technomate 6900 Super sound a capable device!
Briantist
Saturday 18 October 2008 3:27PM
Les Nicol: There are no restrictions on any manufacture working with Freesat, they are adding in another set each quarter. It's not a massive organization!
Kentman
Saturday 18 October 2008 10:39PM
Can anybody help with a Problem I have with a friends Pace Sky tuner who has bought a £ 20 free sat card he was on Sky subscription but has canceled but wishes to use his old tuner in free mode Sky tried to activate his card but say the Tuner is to old and he will buy a new tuner. I put my card from a Sky plus box ( it was a free one year in a special deal, so do not use it as the year has expired. The old pace tuner worked all free sat channels came up ok. SKY are adamant that the Pace Tuner will not activate his card. Well mine does any ideas??
Briantist
Sunday 19 October 2008 1:05PM
Kentman: There is no need to use the card, just use the card from the cancelled subscription.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 22 October 2008 8:01PM
Brian - Wondered if you had heard of a device called "Slingbox"? I believe this device (which is from the US but a UK variant is available here) offers multiple connectivity up to four HDMI devices plus AV audio SPDIF etc.This box can also link to TV's which are HDMI capable but which lock HDMI ports. There is a dongle version also and whilst these offer more options for Freesat boxes I also reckon these devices by implication would appear to be able to circumvent the Sky plus boxes disabled archiving ports.
Briantist
Wednesday 22 October 2008 9:30PM
Les Nicol:http://www.slingmedia.com/go/slingbox-prohd - It takes ATSC and HDMI input and streams them to somewhere. It doesn't record however, it keeps to the HDMI rules because you can't record it.

Note: "* Picture quality is dependent on network speed. Streaming in HD-resolutions is only currently available for Windows. Support for HD on Mac is upcoming."

Also, note in the "requirements": 1.5 Mbps upstream network speed for high definition... where's the other 12Mbps going?
Les Nicol
Saturday 25 October 2008 8:15PM
Brian - PVR Junction seem to have managed to get hold of the Humax Freesat HDR Box and their review of same is very much worth the reading - Link:- www.pvrjunction.co.uk link icon A Closer Look At Humax FOXSAT-HDR and freesat+ Features | PVR Junction
Briantist
Saturday 25 October 2008 8:27PM
Les Nicol: Yes, I just read it.
les Nicol
Saturday 1 November 2008 7:45AM
Brian - Seems there's always someone who can get hold of new receiver before the official release. But this a useful link for seeing some of the features on the Humax HDR in action www.hummy.org.uk link icon  New Screen shots - Hummy.org.uk Forums
Briantist
Sunday 2 November 2008 10:20AM
les Nicol: Yes, it usually involves a lot of pleading. I was originally going to do box reviews on UK Free TV, but I decided against it... The screen shot are, thankfully, totally predictable.
les Nicol
Sunday 2 November 2008 11:08AM
Brian - I see also that the HDR has a universal CAM slot which I thought was being dropped from the iCord spec. It does seem as if this box is much more of a multi platform receiver than I thought it might be. It seems that only the component out port hasn't been included in the overal specs. To me this makes the "Freesat" DTR box really good value for money.
Briantist
Sunday 2 November 2008 12:38PM
les Nicol: Just noting that the Sky NDS system is not a CAM slot, so it is fairly useless on that front...
les Nicol
Monday 3 November 2008 7:16AM
Yes that correct Brian, but in the meantime pre any future developments with a via access CAM and official ART card and tracked to Hotbird then all their Sports - Premier L. matches in English etc ?????
Briantist
Monday 3 November 2008 9:03AM
les Nicol: I'm really sorry but I can't quite follow what you mean...
les Nicol
Monday 3 November 2008 9:49AM
Brian - The bottom line is it's considerable cheaper to do this than opting into a Sky sports package. I've done it with my current system
Briantist
Monday 3 November 2008 9:52AM
les Nicol: Not sure how 'legal' it is though...
les Nicol
Monday 3 November 2008 12:21PM
Brian - As far as I know it's perfectly legal so long as you are not setting this up in licensed premises and there's beeen conflicting judgement's when challenged in court by Landlords where piracy hasn't been involved, In the cases that I've been aware of it's the F.A. rather than Sky that's pursued an action through the courts.
Briantist
Monday 3 November 2008 12:27PM
les Nicol: That sounds OK then. When I put 'legal' in quote it was because it is clearly contractual offence rather than criminal one.

I have just been told that the BBC News channel on transponder 45 (10773MHz Horizontal, 22.5, 5/6) has been switched to showing "FIVE"...
Kentman
Monday 3 November 2008 4:16PM
Have you any information re: Free view not being able to transmit The interactive Cycling coverage of the World Cup on Friday 31st Oct at 7pm until 10-40pm and Saturday Ist Nov 7pm until 10-30pm. The BBC were televising the event and it was available on Astra 2 28 degree E. BBC SKY interactive, and Free to air Satellite Stream 4 12,441ghz S/R27500 a notice appeared on BBC interactive But said not available on Freeview. Could it be any thing to do with SKY sponsoring British Cycling to the tune of 1 million a year for 5 years.
Briantist
Monday 3 November 2008 5:26PM
Kentman: No, the problem is due to there only being two interactive streams on Freeview (BBCi 301 and BBCi 302) whereas there are "unlimited" slots on satellite.
Mr E Warsop
Monday 3 November 2008 6:00PM Worksop
why is it that i after reset my bt vision box
every 2 days to get tex bt said that it is
not their problem.
Kentman
Monday 3 November 2008 6:36PM
To Brian Re: Freeview Interactive Cycling

Thanks so thats the reality! football and rugby take precedence over Cycling makes sense at the BBC! I suppose, even though the Cyclists get a lot more success and recognition Internationally.
Briantist
Monday 3 November 2008 6:38PM
Kentman: I does seem that way...



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