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BBC/ITV Freesat - Spring 08

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition  guaranteed
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We've been reporting about BBC Freesat since early 2006

The BBC's service, which is now set to launch in spring 2008, will provide a "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The boxes will provide a HDTV satellite version of the popular Freeview service, with a number of BBC, ITV channels in high definition plus all the existing services that the current Freesat service provides.

The BBC and ITV Freesat service will also provide an alternate (but compatible) electronic programme guide (EPG), and will provide interactive services.

Currently both Channel 4 and five have agreements with Sky which require their channels (with the exception of Film4) to require the use of a "Freesat From Sky" card. This means that you currently need to purchase a card from Sky Subscriber Services Ltd for 20 to watch Channel 4, five, Five US, Five Life and Sky Three.

Whilst this card is included as part of the 150 cost of Freesat From Sky, Sky have in the past invalidated the existing cards and demanded payment for a new one from Freesat users. Last time Sky did this the telephone number that was provided told customers that the must subscribe and mislead callers telling them no replacement cards were available!

The BBC/ITV service will have several potential uses:

  1. a box-swap replacement to upgrade an existing Freesat from Sky or Sky subscription box for a box with HDTV services;
  2. a box-swap replacement for a Sky+ box for a HDTV satellite personal video recorder;
  3. a multi-room installation with an existing dish fitted with a quad-LNB;
  4. connection to a Windows Vista Media Centre or Windows Home Server;
Mark Thompson (BBC Director-General) said "The BBC's objective in launching Freesat is to support Digital Switchover by providing another way for licence payers to receive digital television channels and radio services, subscription free from the BBC and ITV.

"Its primary purpose is to drive digital take-up in analogue homes, particularly in those areas which are out of digital terrestrial coverage. Freesat also offers a trusted free-to-view digital upgrade path that gives licence payers all the benefits of digital television (notably high definition capability) guaranteed free of subscription."

Michael Grade (ITV Executive Chairman) said "Freesat will build on the success of Freeview by offering viewers a simple and cost effective way of upgrading to digital TV. By filling in the current gaps in Freeview coverage, Freesat will ensure that a free-to-air, no strings attached option for accessing digital TV is available to the whole of the UK ahead of digital switchover. By offering HD capability we will future proof Freesat if, as expected, high definition television continues to capture the imagination of UK viewers."

What channels will be provided?

The current single-channel HDTV service for the BBC is only a test service. It seems reasonable that the BBC will provide the main channels in HD resolution. This will probably not extend to the BBC regional news services, and may not initially include the national variations in HD.

ITV1 is the only network of theirs with regional variations, so again a "Network" version of the channel will be provided in HD, with SDTV potentially regional adverts inserted. It seems reasonable that ITV2, ITV3, ITV4 and CITV will also broadcast in HD.

It seems that the other public service broadcasters, Channel 4, five and S4C will want to get on board. This will require E4, C4, More4, five, five Life and five US to change their broadcasts, or for the new BBC Freesat to simulcast these channels as HD.

Channel 4 told the Guardian that the channel "currently has exclusive [digital satellite] carriage deals in place with Sky Digital for the majority of its channels (other than for Film4, which is broadcast free-to-air). Under the Communications Act we would expect to become subject to obligations to ensure the availability of the core channel on all satellite platforms, which would require that Channel 4 was available on Freesat."

As for the other non-public service Freeview channels:
  1. Ftn, The Hits, TMF, UKTV Bright Ideas, UKTV History are locked into Sky subscription agreements, but obviously it would be to the benefit of Freesat if these channels could be made available to the extra 2.5 million homes.
  2. Sky Sports News is a subscription service on satellite and Sky Three would have to go free-to-air, which may happen to show Sky's benevolence.
  3. Sky News is broadcast free-to-air.






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David Haworth
Friday 6 March 2009 4:31PM
Brian - I read with interest your reply but as I am not the only one who thinks that Freeview reception is better than Freesat on Std Def could you confirm whether you agree?
My son downloaded the optimum settings for the Pioneer 428 and set them accordingly and I have no hesitation in saying that the picture on Freeview in terms of colour rendition ,contrast and sharpness is exceptionally good and far better than the 36' Sony CRT I still have. To be honest it is not that far behind HD and far better than any LCD I have seen (only wish I had bought the 50'!)
The picture is by no means unwatchable on Freesat but in the way that a reviewer gives one TV 5 Stars and another 3 Stars that is what I see, and it is not what I expected for £450. I have no doubt than when we start to get semi-decent HD programming I shall change my mind.
Mal
Friday 6 March 2009 4:46PM
I re scanned my Tv two weeks ago and lost signal on all ITV channels all other channels on freeview are fine any suggestions
Les Nicol
Saturday 7 March 2009 7:15AM
Brian -Windows media centre is fine, but I tend to use Linux alternatives. I have a personal thing about Microsoft in the same way as I have about Sky TV eg: their primary goal is about making mega bucks as fast as is possible. For most PC users Linux may not be so easy to get to grips with but hey is much more stable it's fully backward compatible and it's hacker virus and malaware free and if you've got problems with a Windows system you can in most instances resolve using Linux utilities. Having got that of my cherst I do have Winwos XP XP Pro and Vtsta Ultimate!
Les Nicol
Monday 9 March 2009 9:31AM
Brian I see that Panasonic is actually planning 3 not 2 Freesat receivers. The third box having a 250GB HDD but unlike the other two minus BlueRay.
Briantist
Tuesday 10 March 2009 11:18AM
Les Nicol: Still no combined Freeview/Freesat PVR though. Such a shame.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 10 March 2009 2:01PM
Brian - Wonder if that might be a tactical sales push to get prospecive buyers into having a new TV as well!
Briantist
Tuesday 10 March 2009 2:02PM
Les Nicol: It might be, but they don't usually manage to do things that devious with any measurable effect.
NottsUK
Tuesday 10 March 2009 3:31PM
Briantist: An interesting article on the SES-Astra web site, www.ses-astra.com link icon SES ASTRA - SES Astra's press releases are listed below. Apart from a couple of non-descript channels on Astra 2C the main channels on Astra 2C are all the Five channels. So where will they be going when Astra 2C moves to orbital postion 31.5 East in April?
Briantist
Tuesday 10 March 2009 8:33PM
NottsUK: The services are, I understand, going on the backup transponders in the rest of the satellite cluster. Five might move to 2D, perhaps?
NottsUK
Friday 13 March 2009 2:15PM
Briantist: All The Five channels have moved on to a spare transponder (37) on Astra 2A (12422, H, 27500, 2/3). Unfortunately they are all encrypted.
Briantist
Friday 13 March 2009 2:33PM
NottsUK: That's not really a surprise is it? The free-to-air FIVE is on 2D. It's a shame though.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 18 March 2009 9:50AM
Brian - Interesting article in Aprils "What Sat" Bye bye coax, Helloe Fibre. - Have posted a shortened extract to Mark at Aberfan aerials on the Aerial installers post.
David Haworth
Thursday 26 March 2009 6:16PM
I am away for the weekend and have just set my 'trusty' Humax to record the F1 race in Oz and was staggered to see that it is not being broadcast in HD. For BBC's flagship sports programme of 2009 this is truly truly dissappointing and was one of the reasons I bought into HD.

peter
Thursday 26 March 2009 6:55PM
All down to F1 not producing an HD feed.
David Haworth
Thursday 26 March 2009 8:38PM
Maybe true but with all the hype it simply isn't good enough!
lesnicol
Tuesday 7 April 2009 2:13PM
Brian - I see that Sony are going to launch Freesat LCD TV's as a response the success of Panasonics releases.
Richard Maddock
Sunday 12 April 2009 1:30AM
Sorry if this is an old request, but can someone give me a simple procedure for retuning my Sky Satellite signal, as apparently it's clashing with some of my Freeview channels, particularly ITV 1,2,3,4 & Channel 4.
I know I can watch these channels via satellite, but when my freeview signal is strong (and my sky sat box is switched off)my tv picture quality is superior to satellite. I have a HD ready plasma Panny tv, and will be eventually getting a Freesat HD box when the prices "normalise".
David Haworth
Sunday 12 April 2009 12:53PM
With regard to F1 not broadcasting in HD - their are 100's of blogs out there complaining about this but very little from the BBC itself. Trying to email the Beeb is like trying to get your tax back.
The general consensus of opinion seems to be that Ecclestone is the culprit, which would not come as any surprise to most people - such a shame as it would be a real spectacle and show off HD in all it's true vibrancy. Can't understand why the BBC would spend all this money and not insist on an HD feed which no doubt would be a real boost for HD broadcasting in general.
David Haworth
Monday 20 April 2009 10:16AM
So two of the biggest world championships for UK TV are now on ie F1 and World Snooker and neither is being broadcast on HD. Even poor relation ITV can broadcast the football in HD. What is going on? I am continually asking myself why did I spend £500 to watch children's programmes till 9.00pm and then the odd 'adult' programme till 10.00pm. With all the money that the BBC have spent and are continuing to spend on ads there is very little to show for it.
David Haworth
Monday 20 April 2009 11:17AM
Oh and by the way - three of my golfing buddies have just got the Humax PVR and all say the same thing - that the quality of the Freeview is simply better than Freesat. Brian, what is the answer to this conundrum?
Les Nicol
Friday 17 July 2009 7:52AM
David Haworth - I know it's a while back since you posted but,in my area terrestrial has just moved to digital transmissions. Having just set up a HUMAX Sat receiver in a friends lounge and a GRUNDIG Freeview box in their conservatory it's quite apparent that in this location the Satellite picture is better than the terrestrial( although not a marked difference). Now this may be related to differences in the recievers build and maybe influence by the fact that the terrestrial signal is sourced from a relay transmitter and we are still not fully switched over to terrestrial digital until the 24th of this month. But it seems that comparisons are not uniform dependent on whether you receive from a main or relay transmitter or your own receiver equipments build..
Les Nicol
Friday 17 July 2009 7:59AM
David Haworth - Should have mentioned both TV's are quality products with good specs eg: Panasonic in the lounge and Philips in the conservatory. Again TV specs also are part of the equation in terms of refresh rate and epixelation count.
Briantist
Saturday 18 July 2009 11:59AM
Les Nicol: After switchover the reconfiguration of Multiplex 1 and B puts BBC Four/Cbeebies and BBC Parliament on Mux , and FIVE joins all the BBC interactive and BBC Radio on Mux B.

This also means ALL the BBC TV services are now statistically multiplexed, BBC One no longer has the 'reserve' it had before, and that both multiplexes have more capacity by switching to 64QAM mode.

However, next year everything that is currently on Mux B (aka BBC B) will move to Mux 1, as Mux B will carry Freeview HD only.
Les Nicol
Sunday 10 January 2010 11:21AM
STV and ITV HD - Seems that they heve "kissed and made up" and that ITV HD can now be accessed OK. via Freesat 103 in the STV broadcast area.
Iain Davies
Sunday 10 January 2010 11:56AM
ITV1 HD will soon have it's own channel on the EPG, so an end to all this "Red Button" rubbish!
Les Nicol
Monday 11 January 2010 9:39AM
Freesat sales heading for 1 million sales in this quarter. Fiqures based on "Freesat" and Ofcom analysis.
lesnicol
Friday 19 February 2010 3:10PM
CNBC will be on "Freesat" from February 24th.
Briantist
Monday 22 February 2010 7:05AM
lesnicol: That a good extra channel to have.
lesnicol
Monday 22 February 2010 8:58AM
Film24 in talks to launch on Freesat?
Briantist
Monday 22 February 2010 4:15PM
lesnicol: That nice to hear.
lesnicol
Thursday 25 February 2010 2:46PM
With CNBC now on Freesat this should widen the sports content on a Saturday afternoon and Jay Leno returning to his show (replacing Conan) in the evening gives another option to Jonathon Ross's Friday night offering.
Briantist
Thursday 4 March 2010 8:19PM
lesnicol: Indeed, very true.
lesnicol
Monday 8 March 2010 8:24PM
Technisat and Harvard Group expected to have iplayer software updates by 16th of this month
lesnicol
Wednesday 10 March 2010 7:36AM
Technisat HDFS - Big price drop in this box which now makes it a sdomewhat better buy than the Humax Foxsat non DTR.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 10 March 2010 1:42PM
Brian - £139.99 from Amazon.
Briantist
Wednesday 10 March 2010 3:28PM
Les Nicol: Looks like Freeview HD and Freesat HD will be going head-to-head then!
lesnicol
Saturday 13 March 2010 12:57PM
ITV1 HD - As of April 2nd ITV1 HD becomes a dedicated channel ie: 119 It will be a simulcast of ITV1. The majority of content will be native HD with other content being upscaled.
Briantist
Saturday 13 March 2010 3:08PM
lesnicol: About time too, really.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 8 June 2010 12:01PM
STV HD - Launching on Freeview and Virgin Media 11th June - following up on Freesat with some linking up with ITV HD.
Briantist
Tuesday 8 June 2010 12:05PM
Les Nicol: STV HD seems to be broadcasting on 10936 V (Astra 2D).
Jordy
Tuesday 8 June 2010 3:31PM
29500 - 3/4?
Briantist
Wednesday 9 June 2010 6:24AM
Jordy: No, it is DVB-S2 22000-5/6 8PSK
NottsUK
Wednesday 9 June 2010 8:59AM
Briantist: It is 10936, 22000, Vertical, DVB-S (QPSK), 5/6, MPEG 4.
Briantist
Wednesday 9 June 2010 9:10AM
NottsUK: That will teach me to trust Lyngsat. www.lyngsat.com link icon Astra 2D at 28.2°E - LyngSat has got it wrong!

Apologies, in particular as we all know that they have never run DVB-S2 on Astra 2D...
NottsUK
Wednesday 9 June 2010 9:44AM
Briantist: Originally 10936 V was used for SKY encrypted channels. These have now been removed, I assume, to make way hopefully for the ITV1 HD regional channels. At the moment there are two free-to-air ITV1 HD regional channels and one encrypted channel. Maybe the encrypted channel is another ITV1 HD regional channel that in the next few days will become free-to-air. The ITV1 HD channel that is named at the moment as 4051 was originally encrypted with the encryption being switched off a few days ago.
Briantist
Wednesday 9 June 2010 9:51AM
NottsUK: Yes, I saw that the Sky channels on 10936 V had slowly disappeared.
Tell you what would be really good for that encrypted channel to be - Channel 4 HD. It is a bit embarrassing that it isn't on Freesat now.
Les Nicol
Sunday 4 July 2010 8:35AM
Echostar - Confirms they are to put into production a "Freesat" PVR with Slingbox feature.
Les Nicol
Sunday 4 July 2010 8:40AM
P>S From "What Satellite" expected release by end of 2010.
Mark Aberfan Aerials
Sunday 4 July 2010 2:23PM
Hi Les,

The sooner Echostar get to market the better, I can see a large potential market for this product.
If they added freeview to this it would be even more of a killer product !

Mark Aberfan Aerials
Les Nicol
Sunday 4 July 2010 5:52PM
Mark - This development was muted a number of months back and it's great it's now going ahead. Like you I see a huge potential in the market place for this. Wonder about "News Corp's" reaction to this though?



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