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BBC/ITV Freesat - Spring 08

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition  guaranteed
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We've been reporting about BBC Freesat since early 2006

The BBC's service, which is now set to launch in spring 2008, will provide a "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The boxes will provide a HDTV satellite version of the popular Freeview service, with a number of BBC, ITV channels in high definition plus all the existing services that the current Freesat service provides.

The BBC and ITV Freesat service will also provide an alternate (but compatible) electronic programme guide (EPG), and will provide interactive services.

Currently both Channel 4 and five have agreements with Sky which require their channels (with the exception of Film4) to require the use of a "Freesat From Sky" card. This means that you currently need to purchase a card from Sky Subscriber Services Ltd for 20 to watch Channel 4, five, Five US, Five Life and Sky Three.

Whilst this card is included as part of the 150 cost of Freesat From Sky, Sky have in the past invalidated the existing cards and demanded payment for a new one from Freesat users. Last time Sky did this the telephone number that was provided told customers that the must subscribe and mislead callers telling them no replacement cards were available!

The BBC/ITV service will have several potential uses:

  1. a box-swap replacement to upgrade an existing Freesat from Sky or Sky subscription box for a box with HDTV services;
  2. a box-swap replacement for a Sky+ box for a HDTV satellite personal video recorder;
  3. a multi-room installation with an existing dish fitted with a quad-LNB;
  4. connection to a Windows Vista Media Centre or Windows Home Server;
Mark Thompson (BBC Director-General) said "The BBC's objective in launching Freesat is to support Digital Switchover by providing another way for licence payers to receive digital television channels and radio services, subscription free from the BBC and ITV.

"Its primary purpose is to drive digital take-up in analogue homes, particularly in those areas which are out of digital terrestrial coverage. Freesat also offers a trusted free-to-view digital upgrade path that gives licence payers all the benefits of digital television (notably high definition capability) guaranteed free of subscription."

Michael Grade (ITV Executive Chairman) said "Freesat will build on the success of Freeview by offering viewers a simple and cost effective way of upgrading to digital TV. By filling in the current gaps in Freeview coverage, Freesat will ensure that a free-to-air, no strings attached option for accessing digital TV is available to the whole of the UK ahead of digital switchover. By offering HD capability we will future proof Freesat if, as expected, high definition television continues to capture the imagination of UK viewers."

What channels will be provided?

The current single-channel HDTV service for the BBC is only a test service. It seems reasonable that the BBC will provide the main channels in HD resolution. This will probably not extend to the BBC regional news services, and may not initially include the national variations in HD.

ITV1 is the only network of theirs with regional variations, so again a "Network" version of the channel will be provided in HD, with SDTV potentially regional adverts inserted. It seems reasonable that ITV2, ITV3, ITV4 and CITV will also broadcast in HD.

It seems that the other public service broadcasters, Channel 4, five and S4C will want to get on board. This will require E4, C4, More4, five, five Life and five US to change their broadcasts, or for the new BBC Freesat to simulcast these channels as HD.

Channel 4 told the Guardian that the channel "currently has exclusive [digital satellite] carriage deals in place with Sky Digital for the majority of its channels (other than for Film4, which is broadcast free-to-air). Under the Communications Act we would expect to become subject to obligations to ensure the availability of the core channel on all satellite platforms, which would require that Channel 4 was available on Freesat."

As for the other non-public service Freeview channels:
  1. Ftn, The Hits, TMF, UKTV Bright Ideas, UKTV History are locked into Sky subscription agreements, but obviously it would be to the benefit of Freesat if these channels could be made available to the extra 2.5 million homes.
  2. Sky Sports News is a subscription service on satellite and Sky Three would have to go free-to-air, which may happen to show Sky's benevolence.
  3. Sky News is broadcast free-to-air.






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Ian Grice
Sunday 29 April 2007 7:46PM Hinckley
So HDTV will be on Freesat and not Freeview (so far)! Buy Buy freeview, Buy Buy clunky aerials, hellow multi LNB and 1 small Dish to feed both sky and Freesat in mutlipal rooms. Alwasy said Sattilite would kill off terestrial.
Briantist
Monday 30 April 2007 8:13AM
Ian Grice: HDTV will always be on satellite first, as that is where all the bandwidth is... The BBC is proposing a terrestrial HDTV service which uses two aerials glued together! I would expected satellite delivery to be economic for another five years, but IPTV will take over from there.
David Whitaker
Monday 30 April 2007 2:58PM
Post code CM179DR. Receiving signals from Crystal Palace. Problem with electrical interference, worse when the dishwasher is in operation and with the distribution amplifier in circuit. Still evident to a lesser extent when dishwasher off and no amp in circuit. The outdoor aerial was installed by a professional. Is there a cure?
Briantist
Monday 30 April 2007 3:58PM
David Whitaker: Yes. Put a filter on the power supply that feed the Freeview box (and anything attached to it). www.maplin.co.uk link icon 
Mains Conditioner 6W
Ian Grice
Monday 30 April 2007 7:29PM Hinckley
So the BBC are saying if we want HDTV via terrestrial we will need to change our aerial yet again!!!!!. Well the BBc can kiss my @@## and if IPTV is via the internet, We need a network thats reliable first, the whole telephone network is on its last legs as it is, try to put anything elce on it and it will all screach to a halt.
Briantist
Monday 30 April 2007 8:26PM
Ian Grice: the MIMO aerial idea is just that, an idea. www.bbc.co.uk link icon BBC - R&D - Publications - WHP144
Ian
Tuesday 1 May 2007 3:59PM Hinckley
Well lets hope it stays that way
Briantist
Tuesday 1 May 2007 6:34PM
Ian: If it were for a whole heap of channels then I might just go for it, but the way things are going this might just be for one or two HDTV channels, which makes it hardly worth getting the dish. Also it's going on the main transmitters, this will never be rolled out nationwide.
David Whitaker
Wednesday 2 May 2007 8:55AM
Thank you briantist for your response. I already have an MK filtered socket supplying my Digital TV and another one suplying the aerial amplifier. I tried the 6W filter, but this did not improve matters. My satellite reception is unaffecated by electrical interference which leads me to suspect a terrestrial aerial problem. The existing aerial has 8 elements hence the need for an amplifier. Will a larger aerial help or will it just increase the inerference along with the increased signal level?
Briantist
Wednesday 2 May 2007 11:06AM
David Whitaker: Try a 100-element aerial? See www.ukfree.tv link icon Freeview reception - all about aerials | ukfree.tv - get free UK television
Ian
Wednesday 2 May 2007 2:30PM Hinckley
BUt a dish is a lot easyer to fit and less likly to get problems with than an aerial. also you will get the standard freeview chanels, and I bet more will be added because the capacity on sattilite is huge.
Mark B
Wednesday 2 May 2007 6:41PM
either way if you want HDTV at the moment or within the next years or so -your gonna have to spend some money....

HDTV over Terrestrial signals- there too weak....

HDTV over satellite signals- a-okay because satellites have better frequency ranges.

i reckon IPTV is an a utter waste of time- unless you can watch any channel you want in the world [no doubt about it it'll get country restricted due to the big boys winging their loosing viewing rights money] and no doubt someone will want some money from us somewhere along the line.....

I'm looking forward to BBC Freesat because that means Sky can't have their little strop saying " you're not allowed to watch our channels unless your on Sky
", because al lthat happens then- they get the mass fines-then forced to share by the law ;)
Ian
Thursday 3 May 2007 12:19AM Hinckley
At least with freesat you can conect loads of tv,s to one dish with no loss of signal, you can get multaple outlet LNBs they use for blockes of flatts Ect, and still use 1 or 2 outlets for Sky or Sky+/SkyHD. I bet the decoda boxes wont be as cheep as a freeview box mind, And I will want to see the channel line up first.
Ian
Thursday 17 May 2007 2:43AM
This taken from satellites.co.uk regarding HD on Freesat. The problem here is capacity.
As Freesat is going to stay free-to-air all main channels including HD will always have to use Astra 2D.
It looks like there's only space left for one HD channel.
It's unlikely in the future we'll have BBC1HD,BBC2 HD and others,it's strange as even the Trust said HD features would have been essentials for the success of Freesat.om
Ian
Thursday 17 May 2007 2:45AM
If this is true just watch sky start to close normal channels like they did when digital was launched :(
Briantist
Thursday 17 May 2007 8:31AM
Ian: The satellite market works on supply and demand, so if there's the cash there will be a way...
Ian
Thursday 17 May 2007 5:06PM
I hope so, I have no plans to change to Sky HD for quite a number of years.
Chris
Tuesday 22 May 2007 11:23PM Evesham
Any idea if Eurosport is likely to appear on Freeview or Freesat ?
Briantist
Wednesday 23 May 2007 12:57AM
Chris: no, it is a UK subscription channel.
william
Monday 4 June 2007 5:46PM
Does anyone know how far away Will freesat from the bbc be avaible throught the rest of western europe without need for card or phone line ?
WM
Briantist
Monday 4 June 2007 7:01PM

william: The BBC Freesat service is on the primarily on Astra 2D satellites, some output will be on the other Astra 2 satellites. I've received from 2D from as far south as Greece and Portugal... is that far enough?


The offical footprint is...


william
Wednesday 6 June 2007 8:14PM
Thanks for map ,The foot print for freesat will be ample but will there be any other strings attached by way of some form of registration, encripted card ,phone conection or other requirements.?
Will the freesat boxes be for sale in europe to anyone ?
William
Briantist
Thursday 7 June 2007 8:36AM
william: No, the system is free-to-air. You can use ANY existing DVB-S box to view the services as you can already.
WILLIAM
Thursday 7 June 2007 6:50PM
So whats the basic difference between what we have on free-to-air free and the New freesat ?
will any dvb-s box show the New epg listing from freesat when it goes live ? or will the New freesat box be the better option ?
the most annoying thing is the time taken trying to find the favorite basic popular chanels lost in a list of suscription chanels as with sky boxes.
William
Briantist
Thursday 7 June 2007 8:29PM
The basic difference is a) a BBC HD channel and probably and ITV HD channel, b) Channel 4, E4, More4, five, five US and five Life going free-to-air, c) a BBC/ITV provided EPG, 100% independent of the Sky EPG. The EPG will be open standard, but existing boxes may need an upgrade. The Freesat boxes will be a range of different rebadged DVB-S2/DVB-S boxes. Yes, the cluttered EPG will not be missed.
Briantist
Thursday 7 June 2007 8:31PM
Oh yeah, and you'll select the BBC/ITV/C4 regions yourself..
william
Friday 8 June 2007 3:00PM
All good stuff ,It would seem to me that one of the new bbc freesat boxes will be the better option presuming such a box could also pick up other free to air channels of choice ?
How long before the new boxes will be on the shelf ?
William
Briantist
Friday 8 June 2007 3:13PM
All Sky Freesat channels will be on the BBC/ITV Freesat system and vice-versa. There will be a range of BBC/ITV Freesat boxes from simple set-top boxes to hybrid PVR/DVD burner devices. "Next Spring" we are told.
william
Saturday 9 June 2007 2:52PM
We dont know yet if all the other channels(non sky) 4 &,5, film4,news channels etc ets that are now free on on the sky system will be also free on freesat from the bbc yet or do we ? will the new freesat box pick up all free to air services also ?
Briantist
Saturday 9 June 2007 3:34PM
william: Film4 is already on Freesat. Channel 4 and five have given their agreement in principle to stop encrypting when their contracts with Sky finish. *ALL* existing Freesat channels will be watchable via the BBC/ITV system.
Ian
Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:32PM
Do we have any idea as to the price of the freesat boxes yet?
Briantist
Wednesday 13 June 2007 12:34PM
Ian: No.
keith
Monday 18 June 2007 11:47PM Chippenham
do we know what satellite the bbc will be using for their freesat service ?
Briantist
Tuesday 19 June 2007 8:27AM
keith: The services are already being broadcast on Astra 2D, ITV has already got another half a transponder on Astra 2C, which is being relocated to 28.2 East now that Astra 1L has launched.
Panita
Tuesday 19 June 2007 1:01PM
Do you we know if Freesat will be able to be picked up with a normal Sky mini dish? Though I guess, if a HD decoder boxes alone are going for around £200 and if BBC prices close to Sky's £150 Freesat, it would still be a cheaper option.
Briantist
Tuesday 19 June 2007 1:27PM
Panita: The signals will be on the same Astra 1D satellites that the service currently uses. You will be able to purchase DVB-S equipment for the price you can right now - £80 for the box, dish and satellite finder. Expect prices to drop and also subscription-free PVRs.
Panita
Wednesday 20 June 2007 11:13AM
Thx, on a related note, when do you think that HDTVs in the UK will start selling with integrated HD tuners as in the US? Surely a matter of time.
And when do you think Virgin and Sky will have to start giving out HD digi-boxes as standard?
Ian
Wednesday 20 June 2007 3:22PM
Will the curent FTA sat recivers be able to recive the BBC/ITV freesat service? What about channel 4 and 5? Do we have any idea yet what channels will be on the service?
Briantist
Wednesday 20 June 2007 4:49PM
Ian: Yes, of course. Channel 4 and five will go free-to-air as soon as their contracts with BSkyB for encyption run out - in Spring 2008.
Briantist
Wednesday 20 June 2007 4:51PM
Ian: This would mean that More4, E4 can join Film4 as Freesat, five will bring five US and five Life. I can't see Sky Three or Sky Sports News being Freesat though.
Briantist
Wednesday 20 June 2007 4:57PM
Panita: As there is no defined standard for terrestrial HD transmission, no one is going to sell a set that can recieve it... Remember that NTSC was a very poor transmission standard in the US, so ATSC replacement was urgently required.
Ian
Thursday 21 June 2007 12:51AM
Acording to this Channel 5 are not interested in FTA!

www.satellites.co.uk link icon  Why is channel 4 & 5 encrypted ?
Briantist
Thursday 21 June 2007 11:40AM
Ian: that's idle speculation.
WILLIAM
Wednesday 11 July 2007 4:04PM
Its nearly August ,If freesat boxes are going to be on the shop shelves for next spring you would think the Manufacture process would now be at full swing operation,
There should be more information on their design, make, look record options, etc and possible price
Briantist
Wednesday 11 July 2007 4:32PM
WILLIAM: Freesat = Free-to-air digital satellite receiver = DVB-S boxes .. they can be bought worldwide already, Freesat is a marketing proposition like Freeview.
william
Friday 13 July 2007 7:02PM
The new EPG line up for freesat is this in place now or at launch next spring ?
I presume the BBC freesat boxes will also have capisity to record and will be cheaper than DVB-S boxes ?
William
NONE
Monday 23 July 2007 3:32PM
Anyone know if the New freesat epg line up is going live soon ?
Welland
Monday 23 July 2007 7:32PM
I don't understand what difference this new service is going to make to someone who already watches free to air satellite TV. People keepo talking about channel 4 and 5 going free to air and HDTV being available on more channels. Is this all the difference? I currently don't have satellite TV, but have been considering it for some time because my freeview reception is poor. What will be my disadvantage when Freesat launches if I buy satellite equipment now to watch the current free to air satellite channels? Will I have to adjust the dish?
David Haworth
Monday 27 August 2007 6:06PM
I would be delighted to buy a HD/STB/Satdish to be able to receive BBC/ITV/CH4 in HD - but I don't want to be
in hock to SKY and it's 300 rubbish/repeat channels.My 8th gen Pioneer and I just want to know when the Beeb will get it on and I suppose that goes for most of us who have bought HD ready TV's.HD is a truly stunning experience and should be well worth the cost of set top box capable of receiving it so long as we don't have to pay SKY every month for the pleasure.
Briantist
Monday 27 August 2007 7:09PM
David Haworth: I can't help thinking that with BSkyB buying part of ITV that this might not happen .. again. I understand that BSkyB got the "advanced record" feature of the BBC iPlayer removed by moaning about the use of THEIR internet service... which renders it less useful than the Sky EPG... strange that. Perhaps Ofcom should be saying that the internet is not restricted like that and strike down the objection... why the BBC and not YouTube?
Briantist
Monday 27 August 2007 7:18PM
... Basically Sky as an ISP should not have the right to object about the provision of an internet service because of a commercial consideration by another part of it's business. The internet is supposed to be a COMMON place that is for all the users - the people who pay for an internet service - regardless of the content. If this has happened then there is a complete failure of regulation from Ofcom here. In particular if Ofcom has agreed to the objection in writing! I really hope that BSkyB would not claim that "because the service is free then we can stop it being the internet and become NewsCorpNet?"
David Robinson
Tuesday 11 September 2007 10:59AM Nottingham
"Sky have in the past invalidated the existing cards and demanded payment for a new one from Freesat users. Last time Sky did this the telephone number that was provided told customers that they must subscribe and misled callers telling them no replacement cards were available!"

This is not quite historically accurate - the last (and only) time that Sky Digital has replaced its smartcards unfortunately coincided with the BBC ceasing to supply cards as they were now FTA. Sky did not 'mislead' customers - replacement FTV cards really WERE not available!

ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5, which up to that point had had a free ride on the back of the BBC supplied cards, suddenly found that they had to pull their weight, which they refused to do. Hence for a prolonged period these channels were only available on satellite by subscribing. This fiasco only ended when Sky launched their Freesat and began selling FTV cards.



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