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BBC/ITV Freesat - Spring 08

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The BBC/ITV service will provide a high definition  guaranteed
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We've been reporting about BBC Freesat since early 2006

The BBC's service, which is now set to launch in spring 2008, will provide a "guaranteed non-subscription" digital satellite service.

The boxes will provide a HDTV satellite version of the popular Freeview service, with a number of BBC, ITV channels in high definition plus all the existing services that the current Freesat service provides.

The BBC and ITV Freesat service will also provide an alternate (but compatible) electronic programme guide (EPG), and will provide interactive services.

Currently both Channel 4 and five have agreements with Sky which require their channels (with the exception of Film4) to require the use of a "Freesat From Sky" card. This means that you currently need to purchase a card from Sky Subscriber Services Ltd for 20 to watch Channel 4, five, Five US, Five Life and Sky Three.

Whilst this card is included as part of the 150 cost of Freesat From Sky, Sky have in the past invalidated the existing cards and demanded payment for a new one from Freesat users. Last time Sky did this the telephone number that was provided told customers that the must subscribe and mislead callers telling them no replacement cards were available!

The BBC/ITV service will have several potential uses:

  1. a box-swap replacement to upgrade an existing Freesat from Sky or Sky subscription box for a box with HDTV services;
  2. a box-swap replacement for a Sky+ box for a HDTV satellite personal video recorder;
  3. a multi-room installation with an existing dish fitted with a quad-LNB;
  4. connection to a Windows Vista Media Centre or Windows Home Server;
Mark Thompson (BBC Director-General) said "The BBC's objective in launching Freesat is to support Digital Switchover by providing another way for licence payers to receive digital television channels and radio services, subscription free from the BBC and ITV.

"Its primary purpose is to drive digital take-up in analogue homes, particularly in those areas which are out of digital terrestrial coverage. Freesat also offers a trusted free-to-view digital upgrade path that gives licence payers all the benefits of digital television (notably high definition capability) guaranteed free of subscription."

Michael Grade (ITV Executive Chairman) said "Freesat will build on the success of Freeview by offering viewers a simple and cost effective way of upgrading to digital TV. By filling in the current gaps in Freeview coverage, Freesat will ensure that a free-to-air, no strings attached option for accessing digital TV is available to the whole of the UK ahead of digital switchover. By offering HD capability we will future proof Freesat if, as expected, high definition television continues to capture the imagination of UK viewers."

What channels will be provided?

The current single-channel HDTV service for the BBC is only a test service. It seems reasonable that the BBC will provide the main channels in HD resolution. This will probably not extend to the BBC regional news services, and may not initially include the national variations in HD.

ITV1 is the only network of theirs with regional variations, so again a "Network" version of the channel will be provided in HD, with SDTV potentially regional adverts inserted. It seems reasonable that ITV2, ITV3, ITV4 and CITV will also broadcast in HD.

It seems that the other public service broadcasters, Channel 4, five and S4C will want to get on board. This will require E4, C4, More4, five, five Life and five US to change their broadcasts, or for the new BBC Freesat to simulcast these channels as HD.

Channel 4 told the Guardian that the channel "currently has exclusive [digital satellite] carriage deals in place with Sky Digital for the majority of its channels (other than for Film4, which is broadcast free-to-air). Under the Communications Act we would expect to become subject to obligations to ensure the availability of the core channel on all satellite platforms, which would require that Channel 4 was available on Freesat."

As for the other non-public service Freeview channels:
  1. Ftn, The Hits, TMF, UKTV Bright Ideas, UKTV History are locked into Sky subscription agreements, but obviously it would be to the benefit of Freesat if these channels could be made available to the extra 2.5 million homes.
  2. Sky Sports News is a subscription service on satellite and Sky Three would have to go free-to-air, which may happen to show Sky's benevolence.
  3. Sky News is broadcast free-to-air.






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Les Nicol
Wednesday 22 December 2010 9:08AM
I don't know Brian, Being guarded in not making the same mistake as Mr Naughty on Radio 4. But I rather think Jeremy Hun t will be just as biased in the other direction as Vince Cable was. Congratulations though on BBC News for their scoop on this one.
Briantist
Wednesday 22 December 2010 9:11AM
Les Nicol: Yes, but you forget about Sky's never ending ability to question official decisions.

If Vince had made the decision, they would have been going for judicial reviews and the like.

Jeremy Hunt, on the other hand, is either pro-free-market and wants diversity and will resist Mr M.

Conversely, if he is seen as helping Mr M, others will question HIS ability to make the decision, on the "Vince-grounds".

All this had done is make the spat more public, which is always good in a democracy.
Les Nicol
Sunday 9 January 2011 9:02PM
Brian - Don't know whether this is as a result of the UK's financial situation "Freeview" reception issues package price increases with SKY and Virgin, but I am inandated with folks seeking to move to "Freesat". Just wondered if this is a local trend that I am experiencing or someething more general.- Perhaps others may wish to chip in om this one.
Briantist
Monday 10 January 2011 6:39AM
Les Nicol: Freesat have been doing some "save loads of money" publicity of late, but I would expect that anyone looking at their bills will probably see £234-£747 a year is quite a lot of money when you can get most of it for free.
Les Nicol
Saturday 15 January 2011 2:08PM
Brian - Interesting article on the development of Pay per View options relating to "Freeview" BT Vision and "Freesat" New CI+ slot and CAMS. Seems Nagravision encryption on Freeview. Samsung new TV's and Freesat receivers seem likely to be equiped with "Neotion CI= plus" CAM slot. "What Sat magazine" February.
Les Nicol
Saturday 15 January 2011 2:15PM
Just to add German manufacturer "Dreambox" preparing to incorporate streaming software iPlayer capable - presumabley this is linked to the BBC's planned expansion of this beyond the UK on a pay per view basis.
Les Nicol
Thursday 3 February 2011 9:58AM
Brian - European Union Advocate General - supports appeal by Portsmouth publican prosecuted for taking premier league football from Greek source using European receiver decoder. Advocate Generals view being that viewers in any mamber state have the right to take TV services from whatever state the broadcast originates from across the European Union- breaking news this am on 5live. Dtil to be ratified by Judges but judges yet to rule against European Unions Advocate General views. Could be really interesting this one!!
Mark Aberfan Aerials
Thursday 3 February 2011 3:39PM
Hi Les,

It would be nice to see those that are undermining both freeview & freesat by destroying channel 1, blocking itv 2 hd / itv 3hd /itv 4hd / five hd (& ch4 hd in wales) from free to air viewers get shafted.
But knowing how they allways get their way when dealing with goverments & regulators I will hold off celebrating yet ! Also i would point out that the top subscription packages (inc more football that sky have )within the EU cost less than half of what sky charge us in the uk, I can see no good reason that.


Mark Aberfan Aerials
Les Nicol
Thursday 3 February 2011 3:58PM
Mark - Aberfan.
One Media legal boffin on Radio5 live this morning reckons it will probably take up to another 2/3months for the out come of this whilst the judges deiberate. But states it would be unusual for them to take a decision that doesn't reflect the guidance of the Advocate General. My publican for one will be pleased if this is ratified. I wonder if the Premier league "AKA" SKY will attempt to proceed in the current situation if some Pubs jump the gun on this one? I certainly know of one in my area that is taking footbal fron "Tring" and ESPN Scottish games from the middle East. Picure quality is fine. In total they are paying just under half of what SKY sports would be to you an I in our own homes . A hell of a saving from a publicans point of view.
Les Nicol
Thursday 3 February 2011 4:30PM
Mark - Having downloaded and read the European Union Press release it appears that the judges deliberations will be about the over- turning of the conviction against the Portsmouth publican rather than the existing European Union Law ie: "European Union Law does not make it possible to prohibit the live transmission of Premier League football matches in pubs by means of foreign decoder cards" ???
Les Nicol
Thursday 3 February 2011 4:34PM
P.S> The latter is the view of the Advocate General Kokott, territorial exclusivity agreements relating to the transmission of football matches are contrary to European Law.
Briantist
Thursday 3 February 2011 4:44PM
Les Nicol: Yes, I'm just trying to write an article about this. Given that I have been going on about it to people for the last decade.
Briantist
Thursday 3 February 2011 5:12PM
Les Nicol/Mark Aberfan Aerials: I've stuck the information up on Karen Murphy scores against the Premier League and Sky | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
Les Nicol
Saturday 5 February 2011 10:29AM
Brian - Jordy. Do either of you know the position as regards the legal status of pubs in the Irish Republic on this one?
Briantist
Saturday 5 February 2011 1:02PM
Les Nicol: The Single European Market (remember "1992") provides the same provisions for all EU countries.

I suspect the RoI doesn't have the obscure (and not illegal) copyright provisions of the earlier 1998 UK Copyright and Patents Act.
Les Nicol
Wednesday 23 February 2011 9:43AM
Brian - I bought a 24" Philips LCD TV from Costco (for a relative)just over 3years ago - warranted for 3years then but I they now offer a 5year in house warranty.

The set stopped working a couple days or so before the warranty was out. I contacted Costsco's Conceirge services support line (which seems to be in the US) and they wre sraight onto having a repair effectd by TVRS in Blantyre.

The fault was dry jointing but a new power supply PCB board was fitted and the set returned reasonably quickly considering it's 150mile round trip.

Unfortunately it was discovered that the back cover on the set had been broken and cracked at the top edge where the covers top corner screws were located - It obviuosly hadn't been put back square.

Contacted Costco Conceirge services again and they organised aresponse from TVRS where they eapidly responded and supplied a new rear back cover with full apologies - not their usual standard of service - fitting same at location.

Given some of the negative service posts I have seen in relation to others eg: Comet and Curry's thought this was worth some applaud to Costco's support Conceirge suppoert from the US !!!

Les Nicol
Wednesday 23 February 2011 9:46AM
P.S. The Repair was given 90 days Warranty
Briantist
Thursday 24 February 2011 7:10AM
Les Nicol: Yes, that is almost shockingly good.

Or, if you live in the USA, totally normal.

It does say something about the level of corporatism in this country that "the market" doesn't usually deliver for the customer.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 1 March 2011 8:06PM
Brian - Manhattan to launch HD and HD DTR receivers to compliment their SD entry to "Freesat",
Briantist
Tuesday 1 March 2011 8:24PM
Les Nicol: Yes, I saw something about that earlier. It should be good news for Freesat.
Frank Croom
Wednesday 2 March 2011 3:14PM
Not sure if this is the right place but here goes.
As my wife is disabled she qualifies for the digital assist scheme run by the BBC. We opted for having Freesat fitted at the subsidised payment of £209. The engineer arrived on time and completed the installation of a Sagem dtr94250 receiver/recorder. Everything went well for few days then the problems started. A warning box appeared on the screen saying that the receiver was having a problem and the HDD needed reformatting. My remote was also having problems as well with certain buttons not functioning.I phoned a helpline and was told someone would come and relace the box. The next day it was replaced with a dtr94500 model, but after he left I noticed that the packaging had red faulty stickers on it and somehow had originated in Jersey!!.
Another phonecall resulted in a third box being installed, this time a dtr94320. Almost immediately the same problems arose so I phoned Sagem. Their helpline is in Austria by the way.They were very helpful and talked me thru a procedure over the phone to correct the fault. But this was short lived and I had to phone them again yesterday and again I was talked thru. The problem started again after a few hours.
I really don't know what to do now, I feel like throwing the box in the skip. Three boxes,three different models and all had what appeared to be Argos catalog numbers on them. I know It's subsidised but I've still paid out £209 for faulty equipment. Any help or comments would be welcome.
Briantist
Wednesday 2 March 2011 3:27PM
Frank Croom: Have you rung 0800 40 85 900?
Les Nicol
Friday 4 March 2011 8:34PM
Bran - Have yo seen this?

Freesat G2: DiSEqC, single cable PVR and more hybrid TV
Alex Lane - Thu, 03/03/2011 - 12:00pm

Freesat's next-generation G2 spec will include DiSEqC, single cable routing and core support for iPlayer-style hybrid TV services.

In the works for more than a year, G2 is set to bring Freesat some features we've been looking forward to for some time.

It's essentially a gathering of new standards which will be supported by the wave of digital TV chipsets expected from manufacturers like ST and Broadcom in the next 12 months.

James Strickland, Freesat's director of product and technology development, explained that G2 is similar to HbbTV, the European standard which combines both broadcast and broadband-delivered TV technology.

'If you see what’s going on with HbbTV in Germany, that’s a roll-up of all the standards work that’s been going on with different bodies.

'G2 is basically a hybrid between HbbTV and the MHEG world we have in the the UK.

'You get the best out of all the international standards that all the manufacturers are working on, rather than rolling out our own.

'We want to encourage in the next generation all the best elements that are already being worked on, to get the best hybrid of broadcast and broadband TV.'

There's no launch date yet for the G2 spec or G2 products, although some - like Samsung's forthcoming Freesat HD box - will be upgradeable via software downloads.

Some manufacturers, like Panasonic, are waiting for the G2 spec to be ready before they launch new Freesat products.

Exact details of what's in G2 only come with some direct questioning at this stage, but we did discover that it will include:

* MoCA (Multimedia over Coax Alliance) support, which potentially enables a whole host of advanced media streaming and multiroom features that manufacturers might use.
* Single cable routing as part of the MoCA standard (Multimedia over Coax Alliance). SCR lets a PVR take multiple tuner feeds through a single cable, but so far there have been several competing methods.
* DiSEqC switching, as part of SCR. Only switching,however, there's no DiSEqC 1.2 for motorised sat.
* HTML, Javascript and CSS: internet technologies that should make it a lot easier to add broadband-delivered interactive services.
* DRM for non-subscription channels who want some sort of encryption, via broadband or broadcast.
* Payment mechanisms for broadband services like LoveFilm.

'It will be easier to write apps and easier to launch online services,' adds Strickland. 'The barriers to entry, the time and the cost of launching new services, will be less than they are currently on other platforms and on this platform. It’s not just about the receiver, it’s about a whole end to end thing.

'The core of the technology is internet-based technology. Use of new presentation environments like HTML, Javascript, and CSS that come from the internet, that now we can apply to STB technology.

'And not for pay-TV but for free-to-air TV, we are making it easier for people to put their content on the platform by promoting certain DRM elements. It can easily be for free-to-air content, free to the user within the platform, but not necessarily pay-TV.

'We are still very cautious about pay-TV and the effect it would have on the platform if we were to allow any pay-TV services on board. It’s a watching brief, and they would be complementary service.

'The potential is there for services like LoveFilm to come to the platform and it’s not there today. If you had something like LoveFilm, to be able to transfer your account to the main screen from the PC, that would make sense.'

From Wotsat
Briantist
Saturday 5 March 2011 6:52PM
Les Nicol: Yes, thanks for that.
Les Nicol
Thursday 24 March 2011 6:57AM
Brian - Echostar taking pre-orders from today for their "Freesat"/Slingbox receiver launching 1/4/2011
Les Nicol
Thursday 24 March 2011 7:01AM
P>S> Samsung's PVR also said to be available from Lasky's and Comet
Les Nicol
Saturday 26 March 2011 8:21AM
Freesat confirms NHK World HD on this platform in May.
Briantist
Wednesday 30 March 2011 3:55PM
Les Nicol: Thanks for those, I think I managed to get the into the Newsbucket on the day.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 10 May 2011 8:57AM
Brian - Yet another manufacturer enters the "Freesat" market. Obviously this presumes increasing confidence with Freesat. "Strong" are coming in eith a DTR receiver which will be "Thomson" branded.
Briantist
Wednesday 11 May 2011 6:03PM
Les Nicol: Thomson didn't make very good Top Up TV boxes, but let's keep our fingers crossed for a good Freesat offering.
Les Nicol
Friday 13 May 2011 8:47AM
Brian - The info I have is that "Strong" are a Japanese manufacturer, but it could be that they are producing all of the "Thompson" branded receivers including those made in the past. Sometimes it's difficult to know who is the parent company these days as they could either be a part of the one outfit or as in the automotive industry share plants and manufacturing facilities. Certainly in the past "Strong" used to produce reasonable quality receivers.
Les Nicol
Friday 13 May 2011 4:43PM
Brian - Just to add to my last post "Strong's" own HD DTR receiver looks remarkably like the "Icecrypt" HD DTR Turbosat UK's own branded range of receivers - as yet not available as a Freesat product but offered up as a "Freeview one. This lends me to think that they are producing set boxes for others.???
Briantist
Friday 13 May 2011 5:05PM
Les Nicol: I would expect that the "generic" nature of the boxes probably means they are all badged and boxed versions of the same basic equipment.

The "Freesat" front end is just a few UK-specific menus on the front of a generic receiver.

That's where YouView have been going wrong, trying too hard with the specifications...
Les Nicol
Friday 24 June 2011 1:05PM
Mark Aberfan - Have you noted and installed the update of May2011 on the Technomate 5402HD? I see that it includes 1-7days EPG on 28 degrees South East. I was checking today and noted this is included with the latest download for the 6800 Super which I have and will install later today.
Mark Aberfan Aerials
Friday 24 June 2011 2:57PM
Hi Les,

Yes mate i've been using it for a while & would say it works well, I can set up recordings directly from the epg. They also recently added youtube, internet radio & online services. I have to say I think it is a very good receiver, connected to a motorised dish I'm using it everyday even though It was originally meant to be a test rig !


Mark Aberfan Aerials
lesnicol
Thursday 21 July 2011 10:30AM
Brian - You seem to have a server problem in the system?? "The requested URL/bo such page php was not found on the server. This when I try to access latest comments
Les Nicol
Thursday 21 July 2011 1:03PM
Brian - I see that "What Satellite" Magazine it to be closed. That's a pity as it really is the only publication giving comprehensive reviews on coming developments and pending or newly released receivers,equipment and accessories across the trade. This isn't to mention industry developments and relevant articles of interest published. Perhaps the title may be sold on to another publishing house.

www.guardian.co.uk link icon http://www.guardian.co.uk…sell
Briantist
Friday 22 July 2011 1:42PM
lesnicol: There was a fault, I have found it and fixed it. And it was my fault there was a fault!
Briantist
Friday 22 July 2011 2:00PM
Les Nicol: Future to sell or close eight magazines | Media | guardian.co.uk does indeed say that.

It's a great pity, but I guess like most magazines it is hard to be "newsy" with a monthly format.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 26 July 2011 9:44AM
Harvard Group loses "Grundig" Brand to Manhattan. Rumoured that Manhattan ready to launch HD Freesat receiver come September with an HDR to follow. Pity that "Freesat" didn't bring in some of these manufacturers/distributors with "Pedigree" in satellite receivers prior to launch.
Les Nicol
Tuesday 26 July 2011 9:53AM
Brian - Interesting to know who still retains the "Grundig" mark? It was aborbed into the Dutch, Philips Group years back. Philips had Parabolic satellite dish equipment sourced from Norway's manufacturer "Fibo" and these were branded both as Philips and Grundig.
Briantist
Wednesday 27 July 2011 7:41AM
Les Nicol: It's always a bit complicated. Perhaps I should sort some type of diagram?
Les Nicol
Wednesday 27 July 2011 10:18AM
Brian - When "Grundig" went into administration it was taken on for a short time by Dutch group Philips who subsequently disposed of their acquisition to joint owners Beko SA of Turkey and Alba Group UK I believe that Alba/Harvard then subsequently disposed of their holding to Beko but with conditional branding rights. I don't know what this entailed but obviously this seems to have terminated - reason unknown by me.
John
Wednesday 27 July 2011 5:38PM
Les Nicol:
I was an RSM for Grundig for over 8 years, most of the shares were held with Chantelle and Philips Group (inc B&O) - she was the most eligible female in the World at one point.Grundig manufactured Seimens - Sony and most of the World's high end brands for many years. Sad to hear they have gone - great memories.... John - need more info, no problems!
lesnicol
Wednesday 27 July 2011 5:59PM
John, Brian - A little correction - Philips owned from 1993 untill 1998 when they sold it off to a Bavarian Financial consortium, It never really pcked up and eventiually went into bankruptcy in 1993, selling of it's Satellite equipment division to Thompson. In 2004 Beko and Alba/Harvard group each picked up an equal 50/50 share of the brand rights. Since then Harvard Group sold their holding to Beko retaining brand usage in Europe until the end of 2010, but I understanding they still retain brand usage in Australasia until the end of 2012.
lesnicol
Wednesday 27 July 2011 6:05PM
John -Brian - Apologies correction line 3 the year should read 2003 and not 1993.
Briantist
Wednesday 27 July 2011 6:55PM
lesnicol: This a fascinating example of what happens to the concept of a "brand" when it gets detached from the quality it is supposed to provide.
lesnicol
Thursday 28 July 2011 9:50AM
Brian;- Whilst many "Brands" are just that and some vompanies holdin brand rights set specs for their branded products almost alll are now produced in the far East particularly China. This company:- Shenzen Plute H.Tech co. Ltd in Guanqdong, Mainland China, are a manufacturing base for Technomate, Strong, AZBox, 500 and 600 series Dreambox recievers etc etc. Terrestrial products are also produced here. Likewise Another Chinese company maufactuers PC Mainboards for Dell, HP, etc and also turns out iPods.
Briantist
Friday 29 July 2011 7:40AM
lesnicol: I just find it strange that the whole concept of a "brand" was that the "brand image" was connected with the quality product, but somewhere along the line the product is changed but somehow the brand image remains.
Les Nicol
Thursday 29 September 2011 7:12AM Castle Douglas
Brian -
Manhattan Plaza HDR-S Out December.

Our goal with the product is to target the normal person with a non-motorised dish that wants to benefit from all that freesat and the other FTA channels that ASTRA 28.2 has to offer. I’ll try and describe some more of the product for you:

- Unlike most TV recorders the Plaza HDR-S is whisper quiet in operation due to its fanless design and use of the latest hard disk technology from Western Digital. It is also extremely compact in size (W280mm, D170mm, H40mm).

- The Plaza HDR-S keeps things organised for you by automatically grouping your recordings by series. The channel banner allows you to see up to 24 hours ahead so you don’t have to leave watching live TV to see what’s on later.

- You can create a list of your favourite channels and then easily find what you want to watch using the dedicated button on the remote to either show only those channels in the Programme Guide or cycle thru your favourite channels using the Channel Banner.

- If over 150 Freesat channels are not enough the Plaza HDR-S can automatically add hundreds more non-Freesat channels. Combine them with freesat channels on your favourites list for true power viewing.

- Make a direct digital connection to your HDTV using HDMI for perfect picture and sound or use the digital optical audio output to connect to an external sound system. Those with older equipment haven’t been forgotten as the HDR-S boasts both twin SCART outputs and left/right analog audio outputs too. The ethernet port connects the Plaza HDR-S to your network and there’s a USB port for offline updates.

There will be 320GB and 500GB models available and they will be priced significantly below the competition.
Les Nicol
Thursday 29 September 2011 11:10AM Castle Douglas
Les Nicol: Brian, The plus with this impending HDR seems to the ability to move between channels "Freesat" and FTA in a favourites list without having to switch modes.
Les Nicol
Thursday 29 September 2011 3:09PM Castle Douglas
Les Nicol: Brian Should have stated "switch modes manually" It appears that this is an auto function within "Favourites".



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