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What price for an aerial installation?

What prices have you been quoted and paid for an aerial installation?

What prices have you been quoted and paid for an aerial install
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In responses to the guideline I posted about how much having a new aerial fitted should cost, Ian Grice posted: "£40-£50? Every aerial fitter I contacted wants at least £150+VAT considering you can get a class 3 aerial for under £10 and a class 2 for under £15 and cable is 40p a metre why are they charging so much for 30 minutes work?"

OK, for some places putting up a TV aerial is hard work, such as multi-story properties. As many people will simply be exchanging a Group A, B, C/D, E or K aerial for a wideband type, often without changing the supporting pole or cable, a high price cannot be justified.

I am concerned that some companies will exploit vulnerable groups (such as the elderly).

So, I what prices have you been quoted for aerial installations? What price have you paid for installation?

Do you know of any companies to avoid? Do you know of any companies that are good value for money?

Or do you work for a great aerial installation company?





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ian
Monday 18 July 2011 7:03PM
steve and KB

I talk to all the local aerial suppliers trade shops down here and they say they have never seen things this quiet either.

No body buying stock from them means there is no work.

Dreading the switchover here

also does not help with the offers that sky and virgin are doing to compete with each other.

Ian
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mark winters
Monday 18 July 2011 7:21PM
where are you ian ??
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Ian
Monday 18 July 2011 8:37PM
Down here in Oxford,

Kb canary islands sounds good budd

Has not stopped raining for 3 days on and off here.

Wondering if we down here should have a holiday when the switch over comes to avoid the tun of phone calls to fit attenuators for free under warranty

Now that the switch over has happened in a lot of your areas have you seen a drop or increase in work ??

Ian
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Mark
Monday 18 July 2011 10:12PM
Hi, hoping someone can help...

Live in Edinburgh using Craigkelly transmitter.

Having problems with the majority of my in-built freeview channels. All BBC channels are fine, FILM 4, 4 Music, ITV4 only, and a couple more along with the radio channels are all i'm getting. Up until around 2 months I was able to get every channel but now when I do an auto search these are the only ones that are picked up.

The outside aeriel on the roof of my flat comes into the window sill then into a 'Antiference' box... may there be a connect problem with this???

All suggestions more than welcome.

Thanks
Mark
Briantist
Tuesday 19 July 2011 8:16AM
Mark: It's a bit hard to be specific without a full postcode, but I can't help wondering if you did www.ukfree.tv link icon My Freeview box has no EPG, is blank on FIVE, ITV3, ITV4, ITV2+1, has no sound or the channel line up is wrong | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice at switchover?

Another common problem is having too much signal. If you have a booster or amplifier, then you may need to remove it from your system.
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Ian
Saturday 23 July 2011 10:33PM
Ian (rigger)
Very sharp comments I must say!!
There was no argument other than opinionated comments from all party's putting there point forward.
You obviously have missed out this fundamental part of the debate to have a go back.
I agree Brian is working tirelessly on this site and all free advice is in goodwill, but you have become insulting with your comments and abuse, your attitude is exactly what I have been talking about to other
riggers.
If and when I get bored and have some time to kill I will pass through your town to see a d..k on a roof installing an aerial as I have never seen a d..k on a roof before.
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Mazbar
Sunday 24 July 2011 6:32AM Ormskirk
Mazbar: Ian as much as i dislike sparks doing my job it doesnt stop there. I was watching help my house is falling down on c4. The idoits who owned the house had let it fall down around them to the point no power was on downstairs. They needed a full re wire cost £5000 but to save them money the presenter told them to put tge cables in themselfs. If they had messed up a spark wiuld have to come in and re do everything himself and still charge the full amount. The show made it sound easy to put the wires in but yiu still need to plan where things go dont you. So i am nit down on sparks but i do feel every man to his own job not a jack of all trades.
KB Aerials Sheffield
Sunday 24 July 2011 10:33AM
Exactly - were not criticising the job anyone does - as long as they are competent at that job I have no idea how to re wire a house and have plenty of friends who are electricians - they call on me to do aerial work - the times a new electrician gets in touch i generally find its because they have screwed up thinking they can do the aerial side - I have helped numerous sparks out of the mire -- the next job they need help on they get me in at the beginning so screw ups are not made! - just typed "Electrician" into my address book - there are 17 that use me (well that I have stored their number in)

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Ian
Sunday 24 July 2011 10:54AM
Each to there own yes quite right!! Tv shows don't give the correct info eg, we did a new house that a popular gran designs programme wanted to film but demanded to the client that if the presenter was filming elsewhere the build would have to slow down progress or stop and in all programmes there is a pitfall a major problem then an alternative conclusion so the programme can lift the show back up and it's all a big happy ending this is soleley for the programme and viewers,my client decided bad publicity wasn't what they were looking for as they live in a small village. The part p requirement states it's for self certification. The tv presenter you mentioned should not give that advice as the people in the programme would get a certificate for there work but it would have limitations on the installation.
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Ian
Sunday 24 July 2011 11:04AM
Kb,mazbar!!
Thinking back maybe yes I've been slightly ignorant to the fact the trade you do is somewhat skilled but we only started doing it cause of bad experiences with a couple of riggers and receiving complaints isn't what we are about.
Yes we do wire aerial points in new build hses just didn't have time and effort to lash an aerial up,
Until we were asked constantly then I had my experiences with some riggers and the complaints followed, this is when I thought it needs nipping in the bud.
Each to there own but was kind of forced not to use a rigger and do the work within our trade.
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George Sanderson
Sunday 24 July 2011 12:38PM
Why do people think that £50 pounds is a fair price to pay for a tv aerial.
It is not about the time worked on the job
what about travling to the job fuel van insurance advertising.
What about the amount of jobs you do in a week do you think a company could make a liveing doing 1 job aday for £50 I think your getting mixed up with working for someone, were you put your hand out and get paid.
there are a lot more things to take into consideration I.E it cost mac donalds £1.10p
to make a big mac meal but they charge £5 for it ...its because we know there is a lot more to pay for than just the burger u get.

Lets look at it another.
You buy an aerial for B&Q cheap on with all the stuff to install £25.00 now you have to put it on the roof ladder hire £15 for the day cat ladder hire £10 for the day then you have to fit it your self O dont forget you need a drill and long reach bit to go double cavity wall £6 if your a diy man and your not bothered about high work then good for you but you can c why £50 to install an aerial is not worth it for a company to make a good living lets face it if you cannot make a good living been self employed you might as well get a job.
To end ...if you pay £50 for a tv aerial and have problems with it you will also have problems getting that company back out in our trade therea loads of cowboys and if you want to pay peanuts for some uninsured idiot to turn up at your own in his family car with a roof rack on then thats up to you
KB Aerials Sheffield
Sunday 24 July 2011 1:50PM
George - Whats astonished me is that The Home help leaflet that can be found in asda sainsburys etc states that an aerial should cost in the region of £60 to £185 - ive been self employed for 10 yrs and cant afford to do an aerial for £60 for all the reasons you stated - you didnt throw in the cost of a decent analyser at say £2000 - but I quite agree with everything you say --

Ian - you need to find that diamond in the rough to help you out! look hard enough and im sure you will get your man ! if I was in the midlands perhaps we could work together
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Ian
Sunday 24 July 2011 8:35PM
Hey George
The one you should watch for as a rogue aerial installer group is aerial force
www.aerialforce.co.uk
Slough aerials
Wokingham aerials
Didcot aerials
Witney aerials
Reading aerials
Maidenhead aerials
Ascot aerials
Bracknell aerials
Oxford aerial solutions
And many many many more

They are all the same company or any company that does not exist.

They have been on rogue traders 5 times and counting all under different names and know one seems to be able to stop them

The actuall price for an aerial is over £200 plus for a basic aerial and you will never get a recall if needed because as far as they are concerned the engineer does not work for them.

If you look around spot how many companies by you have the same website as these companies.

All around Oxfordshire they have even changed their numbers, don't know how many times a year they do this.

I know for a fact they are spending £150,000 a year plus on advertising so you can well imagine what the income would be on that.
When on rogue traders sites it states that the 2 brothers who own the so called company both own their own helicopters.

This is how these people can advertise aerials for £49-£69 for an aerial fit because they don't fit them for this.


They go up and down the country saying aerials installed for £69
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Ian
Sunday 24 July 2011 8:41PM
In fact I was in pc world recently trying to get my laptop fixed under warranty without it being sent away for 2 weeks (no chance, don't these people understand you buy a computer for the purpose of work so to be without it for 2 weeks, is impossible)

Anyways when I was in there there was a DVD type case on the counter allowing you to buy a tv aerial installation for X amount. Was a damn good price I thought until I started reading the back.

No bracketry included
No roof work included
No cabling included
And so on

All I could do was laugh, but there is know way of legally shoving your own business card in the boxes

SHAME

Ron Lake
Monday 25 July 2011 12:19AM Wakefield
I have read the foregoing comments with interest. I do not wish to 'knock' any trade but must say that there are cowboys everywhere. I live in a rented bungalow owned by the Local Authority. Moved in almost four years ago and, reading the electrical report, found that there were no earth bonds to any of the lights. I pointed this out to two 'sparkies' who were sent to change the consumer unit and wire in a point for the new electric fire which had been installed by the plumber when upgrading the central heating to a combi boiler, a month earlier.
After installing mains fed smoke alarms and pushing a 2.5mm twin and earth down the wall in a bit of trunking for the fire, obviously going into the loft to accomplish this, and changing the said consumer unit into which they reconnected the double socket I had installed to feed my washing machine, they left. There is STILL no earth to the light fittings in my home. Is this what 4 years at college produces?
I am told that it is illegal for me to change a light fitting without proper qualifications and that I can go to prison for such an offence.
Some time back whilst delivering to a company's premises, I noticed that the outside lights had been installed by the in-house sparky using Black and Decker flex, (you know the orange stuff to your mower) and queried this whilst enjoying a cup of tea. I was told it's ok 'cos it LOOKS like pyro. I did point out that it was a bit sloppy to join the existing tail from the last lamp, rather than wiring straight into the fitting, my point being that he had cut the tail back to six inches and then, being a clever lad, had left a drip loop under the lamp with the taped joint right in the bottom of it.
The man became a bit agitated and said, "Oh, have you read the 16th edition then?", I said, "NO, not all of it, just the bits that I need to, but it may be interesting to note that the 17th edition has been in force for the last 12 months".
What price training????
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Ian
Monday 25 July 2011 10:56PM
Ron, this is a riggers site and not an electrical site to post comments, however the landlord who you rent the property from will have been informed about the lack of circuit protective conductors to the lighting circuit you the user use day in day out!! it is down to your landlord to authorise necessary works to upgrade your installation after all they are paying for it, not yourself! If you had metal light fittings and switches installed before the mentioned sparkys arrived they would have noted on certificate in the box ( comments on exhausting installation) no circuit protective conductor to the lighting circuit and all light fittings are metal!! This would be a code 1 immediate action neccesarry and your landlord should act on these findings before they end up in court through gross negligence.as you mentioned the orange flex if any connection outside is in a waterproof surrounding this is generally going to be fine no DIY installer reads the wiring regs
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ian
Wednesday 27 July 2011 6:39PM
Riggers "BE AWARE"
If you do an installation/alterations which has the solar pv on the roof the main DC volt cable looks very similair to your satelite cable if you do alterations where you join onto the exhisting aerial cabling make sure you have identified it as an aerial/sat cable.
however if you do happen to have an off day and cut a solar pv cable!!! best of luck you would be in a very uncomfortable position at that stage.
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Mazbar
Wednesday 27 July 2011 9:31PM Ormskirk
Mazbar: Just of subject i would rather have a spark do an aerial than a roofer wouldnt you?
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Ian
Wednesday 27 July 2011 10:45PM
Ha yeh great comment!!
Q. Have you come across a roofer doin an aerial then recently???
The roofers are fitting the solar panels but not having the technical knowledge of finishing the job off.
Ron Lake
Wednesday 27 July 2011 11:32PM Wakefield
Ian, my apologies for apparently being 'off topic' but there did seem to be a bit of a flame war going on between riggers and sparkies before I even commented. Please let me clarify. Lights at my rented property, metal. Switches, plastic. No comments re lack of earth on the certificate. Orange flex was used for outside lighting and as such open to the elements. "No DIY installer reads wiring regs" well I do sir.
Thank you for your input and comments and again my apologies for off topic remarks.
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Ian
Thursday 28 July 2011 7:26AM
Hi Ron,
There is a new green regs book 17 edition with all amendments in it ( money spinner) is my opinion
If you look in the regs book there is a paragraph about direct contact of electric shock you are at risk when you go to change a light bulb in your hse your landlord needs to be notified but they may demand you have them changed for pendant type lights at your cost as if it's an council authority they don't put metal light fittings in rented houses cause the Electrics are a mine field where this is concerned no circuit protective conductor etc, maybe if you get the landlord to get a periodic inspection carried out at the property you may have a chance of your lights get re wired and your installation updated!!
Q. Have you got the correct 10mm2 sized earths to your gas and water incoming services??
KB Aerials Sheffield
Thursday 28 July 2011 3:14PM Hope Valley
Ian -- Thanks for the comment re the cable for solar pv panels looking like sat cable - I have only worked on a few property with solar panels but never noticed the cables so its now lodged in my mind that there would be a possible problem picking the correct cable


Keith
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ian
Thursday 28 July 2011 7:02PM
No problem i thought it was relative to your work.
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ian
Thursday 28 July 2011 9:49PM
are you riggers busy or struggling to get a full working week?
Ron Lake
Thursday 28 July 2011 10:24PM Wakefield
Ron Lake: Thank you Ian, Yes the earth bonding is in order to the gas and water supplies. The Council are doing a complete refurb 2012 including complete rewire so I suspect any problems will be picked up at that time. Best regards, Ron.
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Ian
Thursday 28 July 2011 10:48PM
Ron
That's a result for you!
Forgot to mention great picture takes me back 30 yrs
Ron Lake
Friday 29 July 2011 1:26AM Wakefield
Dont see these nowadays Ian with 'round the clock' telly. Some of us remember the earlier ones too. Monochrome BBC 'Batwings' on 405 line VHF lol.
Briantist
Friday 29 July 2011 7:35AM
Ron Lake: You can get a testcard 24/7 on Freeview - www.ukfree.tv link icon How do I get a test card with Freeview | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice .
KB Aerials Sheffield
Friday 29 July 2011 3:14PM Hope Valley
Ian

In regards to ARE WE BUSY

its up and down one moment your pulled out the next its dead but im not sure if others work similar to me
basically I start a week with a hand full of jobs to see me through monday possibly tuesday then by the end of monday wednesday is full with a bit of thursday and it rolls constantly like that has done for 10 yrs since I started on my own

if I compare Business to 3 years ago there is a deffinate drop in the amount of work available and you have to be a bit more competative and be a sales man on the phone - what I do find that seriously works in my favour is Im polite and listen on the phone - I talk to my customers who choose me because of my phone manor I here that the other riggers they call are blunt ignorant and not bothered - a bit like the experiance that you have had with the guys you have tried to work with

I never rise to an argument and always handle things diplomatically - today is an example just hung a tv on a wall put it precisely where husband has told me - im packing van up to leave - wife walks in and says its too low - instead of creating an argument about extra time and inconvenience of restarting - I suggest moving it higher and in fact once I go grab my drill and take tv off it added about 10 mins to the job - -result one very satisfied customer!
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ian
Friday 29 July 2011 5:47PM
i found that a happy customer is related to 4 or more further jobs.
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Mazbar
Friday 29 July 2011 6:06PM Ormskirk
Mazbar: Kb your phone manner is the main point if contact. I try never to give a price over the phone what i say is there us no charge for me coming out to give a price. This gets me face to face with the customer then all you can do is be honest and polite. I get on avarage 9 out of 10 houses i go to. I then give them a exact price if it is a big job i wont give them the price while i am there i say i will phone them with a price, this then means that they are under less preasure than face to face. I pride myself on my work and i do the work on my customers houses how i would have liked the work done on my late mums house.
KB Aerials Sheffield
Friday 29 July 2011 8:38PM Hope Valley
i really struggle not to give a price over the phone - if I dont know the area then i go and quote but i usually have a an idea of whats needed when someone phones - I also find probably same as you that I get 9 out of 10 jobs by quoting over the phone

So lets open this one up

How many people prefer a tradesman to come to their house and quote and how many would like a price over the phone

I will read with interest

Keith KB Aerials



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ian
Friday 29 July 2011 9:21PM
Guys,
All clients are different!!
eg, people who phone you dont forget have phoned another 3 or 4 riggers before you and have a list of prices infront of them as you are probably the last call if there is around £10/£20 difference most wont bother phoning anyone else and will instruct you to do the work as they are on the phone to you already.
The more precautious clientel want to see you and what you turn up in to quote the work,eg turning up on a push bike is not going to win you the job or a clapped out old rusty car after all your a rigger and have ladders etc.
also other clientel are from recomendation and trust the friend who recomended you.
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ian
Friday 29 July 2011 9:27PM
Also guys if work is going slack or slowing down and you enjoy your work maybe advertise more and get flyers posted if you use the people in your household to help you post them you would get more out there and its fun.
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ian
Friday 29 July 2011 9:40PM
just some info on my experiences we contract to developers and the public i had one paticular potential client i was phoning on a monthly basis for around almost 2 yrs.they had all my company info but were happy staying put with there regular contractor until 1 day i get the call ive been waiting for!!! we quote the work win the job then prove we can do what ive been telling them on my company info!! result is more work from them now and they have 2 contractors.
stay perssistent in advertising your self as a company
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Mazbar
Friday 2 September 2011 2:45PM Ormskirk
Big advert for action aerials how to sell your soul to the devil very over priced be warned
kB Aerials Sheffield
Friday 2 September 2011 8:04PM
Never thought of advertising on here - Wonder how much Action aerials are paying

Briantist -- can you answer?
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Ian
Sunday 4 September 2011 12:36PM
Brianist doesn't pick the adverts; I assume that he has signed up to Google so they can display the adverts for which he will receive an income, maybe just to support this site.

However it is a shame that a site which appears to condone 'bad practices' allows advertising from one of the most ‘talked about’ and for ‘not all the best reasons’, company in the business.

Hypercritical comes to mind.
KB Aerials Sheffield
Sunday 4 September 2011 1:23PM Sheffield
I suppose if Google pick the adds its down to the deepest pockets!

(lined by the expensive aerial installations)
Briantist
Sunday 4 September 2011 2:06PM
I can ban adverts if I want, but I don't get to pick and choose - to be honest, I am unhappy about the action aerials advert because it contains a telephone number, which are not allowed in Google adverts.

UK Free TV takes up three web servers, if there were no adverts I couldn't cover the cost of providing the site out of my own funds.
Briantist
Sunday 4 September 2011 2:10PM
Ian: Google provide a service for the provision of adverts, it is an open market provided though the Adwords system of theirs.

You don't get to "pick" the adverts that are shown, they are provided on a per-view basis though a bidding system. The adverts only provide income if someone clicks on them, not on a per-view basis and I have never said anywhere that I endorse the advertisers, because as I said before, I don't know who they are.

I'm not sure how it is "hypercritical" to show adverts this way, that seems very unfair to say so.
Briantist
Sunday 4 September 2011 2:13PM
From AdWords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :

"Advertisers select the words that should trigger their ads and the maximum amount they will pay per click. When a user searches on Google, ads (also known as creatives by Google) for relevant words are shown as "sponsored links" on the right side of the screen, and sometimes above the main search results. Click-through rates (CTR) for the ads are about 8% for the first ad, 5% for the second one, and 2.5% for the third one. Search results can return from 0 to 12 ads.

The auction mechanism that determines the order of the ads is a generalized second-price auction. This is claimed to have the property that the participants do not necessarily fare best when they truthfully reveal any private information asked for by the auction mechanism (in this case, the value of the keyword to them, in the form of a "truthful" bid)."
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Mazbar
Sunday 4 September 2011 4:47PM Ormskirk
Briantist if you can ban adverts a simpe question for you. If your mother or daughter or grandmother lived the other side of the country and said that there aerial had come down would you tell your loved one to go to action aerial or would you tell them not to touch them with a 10ft barge pole ?.
KB Aerials Sheffield
Sunday 4 September 2011 9:05PM Sheffield
Mazbar
Briantist is doing a grand job hosting and answering questions on this site

He cannot be expected to pay for the funding in full for such a venture - he has to break even or even make a profit in my opinion - so like I said - deepest pockets wins and as Briantist says he does not condone action aerials

I don't know enough about websites to know how they generate an in come

But Mazbar Yes can fully understand your opinion about how they conduct business - im not a lover of them either
Briantist
Monday 5 September 2011 6:46AM
Mazbar: What an excellent example of both an "overemotional proposition" and a "false dichotomy" - you should be working for the Daily Mail.

I have, as people have objected, banned that company from placing their adverts here.

However, as I have never personally investigated them, I am not actually in a position to offer a personal opinion as all I have to go on is technically heresy.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence".
T
Tom Fletcher
Monday 5 September 2011 11:21AM
There getting some stick on here Action, mined you I have followed up on some of there work and they are a bit of rip off merchants,the firm that are screwing our trade up at the moment are AVC there should be some kind of monopolies laws brought out,they send people with no experience on a few days training course and send them out to do a job that takes years to learn properly,some of the work they do is appalling,and when there contract is finished they will leave all this poor work for us to put right,the BBc should have spread the work around the established fitters,but like always in big busyness someone will have taken a back hander. Tom Fletcher Alpha Aerials Sheffield.
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Mazbar
Monday 5 September 2011 3:55PM Ormskirk
Yes sorry brian i might have over reacted , i have never seen bad work by action aerials but what i have seen is action aerials fitting aerials that are a bit over the top, say an area that will give a good 62 dbuv of an rx12 aerial they fit something like a unix52 on a 1 1/4 inch pole and then charge over the odds this is the problem a lot of riggers have with them the other problem we have with them is when they try to pass themself off as a local firm
KB Aerials Sheffield
Monday 5 September 2011 4:42PM Sheffield
Tom - YEP AVC - utter night mare - goverment sponcered cowboy scheme what an absolout Facking disaster their wark is

Sorry but £40 paid by these people who are contacted by letter is £40 too much - they haven't a clue

if you work for AVC and have had a past trade as an aerial installer I apologise - if you do know what you are doing


BUT - the work I have seen is disatourous

most of the guys / jobs ive seen are on the front of houses 12" t and k brackets huge aerials on 6' masts

What happened to using a chimney - oh apparently my public liability insurance doesn't cover me I was told by one 18 year old with 2 weeks training under his belt - the bloody transmitter was 2 roads away - the woman even came out and pointed an aerial out across the road and said she hoped hers didn't look like that

well Id gone by the time this poor customer would have spotted a HUGE aerial directly above her front door (bird craps going to be lovely there)

Totally disgusted by them

One guy was told h is aerial was fine - group A on Sheffield which is going to be wide band cant get anything now sir but when they switch (power up it said on the invoice left ) everything will be ticty boo -- didn't say anything about the water pissing through his cable

im sorry - that has really hit a nerve and TOM - I TOTALLY agree

Mazbar
Action what a rip off - theres a fair price or one where you have a customers arm screwed up their backs - they charge Rolls Royce prices for Ford Fiesta jobs

Keith KB Aerials Sheffield 07946481125

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Mazbar
Monday 5 September 2011 5:44PM Ormskirk
Kb have a nice cup of tea and a sit down they make my blood boil too but if you let it get to you the stress will kill you. What you should do when you see these aerials in the wrong place put a letter through the letter box explaining that they could have a far neater job done for a reasonable price, dont knock as most people find this very offputing. Ps went to a job today 9" wall bracket on Chimney held up with 2 bolts yes it was 8 pots but 1 lashing still went around ok at least i got a job and the customer got a very good job done.
KB Aerials Sheffield
Monday 5 September 2011 6:14PM Sheffield
Cup of tea had

Nice and calm


ahhhhhhhhh


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Mazbar
Monday 5 September 2011 6:26PM Ormskirk
Thats good im going back to my copy of the daily mail
T
Tom Fletcher
Tuesday 6 September 2011 7:35PM
I saw 3 of them today on lindsey ave parson cross they fitted a 15 foot pole a massiv blakes jbx aerial and a vision mast amp at the bottom of the pole""" mad absolutely mad we fitted a log pro aerial down the road a few weeks ago and got every channel spot on, you can see the dam sheffield mast from there,absolute nob heads if they came to my house I would have booted them out,I mean 3 of them to do an aerial,yes and 3 tranny vans parked on the road as well.



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