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Satellite reception has both advantages and disadvantages compared with terrestrial (aerial) reception.

Satellite reception has both advantages and disadvantages compa
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Satellite reception has both advantages and disadvantages compare with terrestrial (aerial) reception.

By using much higher frequencies (gigahertz, compared to terrestrial televisions megahertz) more transmission channels called transponders (the satellite equivalent of multiplexes) can be provided. For example, there are only six Freeview multiplexes, but Sky or Freesat users can access two hundred satellite transponders.

Aside from exceptional weather conditions (very heavy rain for example) digital satellite provides stable pictures and audio. Where Freeview transmitters are no more than 732 metres above sea level, the geostationary satellites used for television are 35,800,000 metres above the equator so reception is possible even where buildings, trees and hills make terrestrial reception impossible.



The downside of the transmitters being 22,300 miles up in the air is that the signals are very, very weak - so standard TV aerial is of little use. When the signals are sent to the satellites, huge dish transmitters are used to uplink the signal to the satellite. These are tens of metres from side to side, and feature an emitter that generates the signal, which is first bounced of a mirror (called a reflector) and then off the surface of the parabolic dish.



There are many satellites in the sky over the equator. Often these are in clusters over a particular position, for example there are four used for UK television are at 28.2 degrees east. There is another cluster over the 19.2 degrees east positions that are used for German television.

To receive these very weak signals from the satellite, it is necessary to use a dish for reception too. By using a reflective dish, this concentrates the signals onto a small device called a LNB. This is held in front of the dish by a metal arm.



The size of dish for reception is typically much smaller; often 60cm to 100cm in diameter, but the exact size depends upon the transmitting satellite transponder. To keep the transmission power levels down to levels that can be powered by the satellite's solar panels, each beam is focused on a particular area of the Earth's surface. If you are trying to receive the signal at the centre of this zone, a small dish is required. At the outer edges, you may need a 5 metre dish. Maps of these zones are provided by the satellite companies, and are called satellite footprints.

When the dish is installed it must be aligned carefully as the signal is very weak. The installer needs to know the inclination and the azimuth from the ground location to the satellite. If you install yourself you will find that there are markings on the dish that are used to point the dish in the correct position. It is important that the view of the satellite will not be blocked, so must take into account leaves growing on trees and potential building works.

For many people the LNB will have a single cable connected to it, however if you have Sky+ or a multi-room installation the LNB package will actually contain four receivers a quad-LNB. Unlike terrestrial television where you can split the aerial cable to feed more than one Freeview box or television set, with satelite reception you cannot. So, a Sky+ box with two receivers (so you can watch one thing and record another) has two cables connecting the box to the dish.

The cable that connects the dish to the receiver must be satellite grade cable. Whilst this looks superficially like the cable used to connect and aerial to a television, a higher grade cable is required for satellite reception.

Here is an image of a co-axial cable. This sort of cable is used to connect any type of receiving aerial to the reception equipment.



RG6, PF100 and PH100 are all types of coax cable that are suitable for the very weak signals that are received by a satellite dish. (The power is the same as you would receive from a one-bar electric heater on the moon).

The conductor in the centre passes the signals received from the dish to the set-top box. This is made from steel in RG6 cable, and from copper in the RF100 and PH100 types. This makes RG6 less suitable in the UK where rain can damage the cable.

The shielding is responsible for keeping unwanted external interference from damaging the signal. In the cheaper cable this will be a foil wrap, in better specified cables this is a braid (or mesh) of copper wires. The sheild in the RF100 covers 58% of the cable.

The non-conducting layer between the shield and the conductor is called the dielectric. This can be either a solid (RG6), foam (RF100) or air-spaced (PH100) dielectric. This makes the cables progressively more flexible (ie bendy without damage).







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Briantist
Saturday 17 April 2010 3:43PM
satandpcguy: Both ITV and BBC use the lowest bitrates for the Channel Islands, but BBC One Cambridge is on the same transponder, Channel TV shares with the STV channels.
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satandpcguy
Sunday 18 April 2010 10:25AM
B: BBC CI and ITV CI are regarded as being the best regional variations channels for reception here in Spain - as they tend to be the best and "strongest" astra 2d vertical frequencies here in Spain.

If a Cambridge postcode was to be used, OK yu get BBC1 Cambridge on 101, but your 103 would be the slightly "weaker" ITV1 Anglia frequency.

And if you used a London postcode, then your 101 would be BBC1 london, an astra 2d horizontal frequency which is notoriously bad here in Spain even on the big 2.4m dishes, although your 103 would be ITV1 London, a "stronger" Astra 2d vertical frequency.

Its a bit of a juggling act, and why not many installers here actually recommend freesat boxes, but using a sky box and a freesatfromsky card, you can get the ITV on frequencies 12408 and 11973 even on a small 80cm dish here in Spain - where their FTA counter parts require a much bigger dish!
Briantist
Sunday 18 April 2010 10:28AM
satandpcguy: You could just use a slightly larger dish, I could get all the channels quite happily to the west of Lisbon with a 2m dish.
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satandpcguy
Sunday 18 April 2010 11:47AM
B: On the CB near Alicante and KMs north and south Astra 2D horizontals are impossible to get 24/7 without something like a 4m dish!
I have a 1.8m dish 70kms south of Valencia and although I get Astra 2dVs 24/7, Astra 2dH are unavailable from 7pm until 4am! Even upgrading to a 2.4m dish may only decrease this unavailabilty by an hour or so!
And Portugal and CdSol are covered by the Atsra 2d "side lobe" error - allegedly a manufacturing problem with the satellite that makes reception in those areas better!
Yet in the norht east of Spain and 80cm dish gets pretty much all all day...it varies so much between north and south spain due tot he "fringe" reception of astra 2d!
Briantist
Sunday 18 April 2010 5:38PM
satandpcguy: I've even managed to get 2D as far south as the Greek Island of Kos, but that was a very large dish indeed.
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Mark Holmes
Thursday 29 April 2010 4:15PM
Question. Can I connect one tv to both freesat & freeview at the same time so that I have access to both?
Briantist
Thursday 29 April 2010 6:29PM
Mark Holmes: Yes, you can even buy TV sets that do that.
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John
Wednesday 5 May 2010 11:05PM
can you tell me why I can not get the same free channels on freesat as on a Digital TV box. Eg Five USA and Sky sports news too name two channels.
Briantist
Thursday 6 May 2010 6:34PM
John: Those channels are not free to air on satellite, they form part of the Sky subscription package. They are free to air on Freeview.
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Robert
Saturday 8 May 2010 8:45PM
Sorry if this seems a dumb question,but I really don't understand satellite coverage. Can I pickup UK Freesat from my home in Borneo? If so, wher do I need to point it?
Thanks in advance, Robert
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Mike Dimmick
Saturday 8 May 2010 9:40PM
Robert: TV satellites are geosynchronous - they orbit the Earth at the same speed that the Earth itself rotates, so they're always above the same position. Their transponders are then aimed at a particular area - the Astra satellites' transponders generally aim at Europe but Sky's transponders aim specifically at the UK.

See www.digitalsat.co.uk link icon Astra 2D footprint

Whatever satellites beam at Borneo, you'll be getting local broadcasting. Whether you get any British programmes will depend on what they've bought in. (RG47SH)
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Robert
Saturday 8 May 2010 10:09PM
Doesn't look too hopeful - their local version of sky is rubbish! Thanks anyway.
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George
Sunday 9 May 2010 2:18PM
I have bought a Humax Freesat HD box to connect to my Sky Free to Air communal dish. I have disconnected my Sky box and connected my Humax box, but when tuning it does not pick up any channels. When I reconnect my Sky box I get all the normal channels althuogh BBC1 and 2 does not connect first time, have to go to ITV and then back again. Then it is OK. Could it be the Freesat box that is at fualt, it does seems to work ok. Is there a way to test the freesat box to ensure it is working.
Mark Aberfan Aerials
Sunday 9 May 2010 11:44PM
Hi George,
Make sure you have both satellite feeds from the wallplate are connected to the lnb 1 & lnb 2 inputs on the foxsat, you do have two feeds from the communial dish ?

Mark Aberfan Aerials
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Don Riley
Monday 17 May 2010 10:45AM
I live in coventry CV5 so cannot receive chan5 due to poor reception by aerial. two years ago got sky dish,etc, fine but pricey.now use the box for 'freesat from sky', if i want tv in a bedroom,say, can i connect to the sky dish with more lnb(whatever that is) or would it be cheaper to have new freesat dish& box.thanx for any advice as Coventry transmitter goes in 2011 i believe.
Briantist
Monday 17 May 2010 11:22AM
Don Riley: You can use the same dish to provide a signal to any number of receivers, but there needs to enough LNBs on the "arm" to provide a connection for each reciever.

LNBs come in single, quad- and eight- packages. If you only have a single, you can upgrade the dish to have a quad-LNB.

You need one LNB connection for each receive (either Freesat or fSfS) or two for each Freesat+/Sky+ box.

If you fancy doing the upgrade yourself, you can get kits such as - www.argos.co.uk link icon Buy 4 Room FreeSat Extension Kit. at Argos.co.uk - Your Online Shop for .

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You might want to use Freesat HD to get HD on your main set, and use the fSfS box in the bedroom.
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Robert
Monday 17 May 2010 12:22PM
I have just brought a humax freesat box for southern spain. I currently receive bbc itv etc through my astra 2 / eurobird. The humax asks for a post code so can I use my uk postcode and will it work in southern spain?

Cheers
C
Clarke
Monday 17 May 2010 10:19PM
Are veiwers experienceing difficulties recently and is it my imagination but aeroplanes seem to effect my signal at present,There is a beacon at Midhurst for navigation and whenever I lose my signal there is always an plane overhead.I am tuned to BBC South whenever there is no signal I can still get other channels. so there appears to be nothing wrong with the box or receiver.It all seems to have got worse since the volcanic ash situation.GU27.
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Paul McKay
Wednesday 19 May 2010 4:54PM
I installed my own dish just before the volcano set off. I get a full-strength signal with good quality. Now the strength is still maximum but the quality varies between maximum (Channel 4), good (ITV& Channel 5), medium (BBC1&2) and poor (BBC News 24) News 24 was unwatchable last night.
PA20
Briantist
Thursday 20 May 2010 3:38PM
Paul McKay: You didn't say where you are located to be effected this way, but you may have another problem aside from the volcano, such as the dish being slightly misaligned or a poor connection.
Briantist
Thursday 20 May 2010 3:38PM
Clarke: Are you having problems with satellite or Freeview reception?
Briantist
Thursday 20 May 2010 3:39PM
Robert: Yes, the box just uses the postcode to configure your BBC, ITV and C4 regions, that is all.
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satandpcguy
Saturday 22 May 2010 8:57AM
Robert: You can use any UK postcode you want to - as all this does is put certian BBC, ITV and C4 regions on 101, 102, 103, 104.
But in Spain, many say the best FTA BBC1 and ITV1 regions (ie best reception / signals) are those for the channel islands, so use a channel islands postcode....
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Andy
Sunday 23 May 2010 10:02PM
i have s sky satellite dish installed but no longer have a sky box. If i realign the dish can i use it with a digital freeview box such as bt vision to get a signal?
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Mike Dimmick
Monday 24 May 2010 3:25PM Reading
Andy: you can use a Freesat box with the dish without realigning it. The Freesat signals are the same ones as shown in the Sky EPG, but you need the Freesat box to get the Freesat EPG.

BT Vision is a Freeview box and uses a rooftop aerial the same as used for traditional analogue terrestrial television transmissions.
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lee
Monday 24 May 2010 11:02PM
hi. i have sky hd and it appears i have a quad lmb. can i connect a free sat box to one of he spair outlets on the lmb?
thanks lee
Les Nicol
Tuesday 25 May 2010 1:25PM
Lee - Yes you can connect to the spare outlets. If doing this your self be careful not to nudge the dish out of alignment.
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Mas
Tuesday 25 May 2010 4:58PM
hi , I have recently moved to new house where there is already a satellite dish installed . There is no channel reciever and my Tv is not HD. I am wondering what channel reciever ( box ) should I purchase. If I wanted to go for Satfree , how would I know my dish is correctly aligned - I have no clue where the dish is pointing at the moment . thanks
Briantist
Wednesday 26 May 2010 7:28PM
Mas: Please see How much is it going to cost to get High Definition TV? | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice - the best thing is to plug in and try it.
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Jim
Wednesday 26 May 2010 10:41PM
I have a sat outlet from a communal dish. There are 2 sockets labelled 'sat' and 'return'. Can I use these independently with 2 receivers or is the return only for use with a box that records?
Briantist
Thursday 27 May 2010 5:31AM
Jim: "Return" is usually used for an RF, rather than satellite link, but it depends on what is actually connected to the faceplate.

If the connection is normally used for a Sky+ box, you can use two receivers.

You should probably ask whoever manages your communal system.
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Rob Davies
Sunday 30 May 2010 11:47AM
Hi there
I live in Valencia, Spain and have an 80cm dish (pick up Sky News,etc - and a lot of other UK channels say encrypted rather than no signal). If I bought a Sky box would I be able to pick up ITV (I heard that channel could possibly be picked up). Would I need a Sky card. How do I go about this? Thanks so much for any advice!
Briantist
Sunday 30 May 2010 1:22PM
Rob Davies: You just need a larger dish, the Astra 2D satellite is designed for UK reception, a larger dish can provide all the channels in Spain.

No card is required, the channels are free to air.
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Ste K
Tuesday 1 June 2010 2:36PM
Hi I live in in block of apartments with a communial dish and as the ariel socket in the wall had two connectors one for a standard TV arieal and one marked sat, i went ahead and bought a LG TV with built in freesat HD but i can't pick up a signal. I phoned the flats management company and they said nobody in the block has reported a problem with the dish and richer sounds told me the chances of the lead they sold and the TV being faulty are slim to none. Has anybody had a simular problem, or can anybody help? As I don't really want to call an engineer out if I don't have to
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graham
Thursday 3 June 2010 8:31AM
my all in one pc/tv/entertainment centre has full HD and an intergrated DVB-T TV Tuner it has no HDMI connection or scart connection only an ordinary looking arial connection how do I connect my freesat box to it?
Briantist
Thursday 3 June 2010 9:25AM
graham: You can't, not without a suitable HDMI connection, as the HD is content protected and requires HDMI.

You are probably going to have to wait for a DVB-T2 USB device for the PC.
Briantist
Thursday 3 June 2010 10:47AM
Ste K: It is one of the lead, the TV and the connection, as you have worked out.

It would seem most likely to be that there is no actual signal on your connection. Just because everyone else is working does not predict that yours is.

Whatever you do, don't spend money on overpriced cables from Richer Sounds - get an engineer.
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Mavis Percival
Friday 4 June 2010 5:12PM
I go camping on a beach in the South of France in a caravan. I would like to take all the equipment I will need to watch English TV.Can you adviseplease?
Briantist
Saturday 5 June 2010 11:08AM
Mavis Percival: Can I suggest you have a look at the Freesat reception - all about dishes | ukfree.tv - independent free digital TV advice page?
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sandy krawczyk
Monday 7 June 2010 3:15PM
My HD suddenly stops but is OK with scart lead Any suggestions. I have tried anoth B&Q box but still same problems
Briantist
Monday 7 June 2010 4:09PM
sandy krawczyk: Are you refering to after about 15 second when you change channels?

If so, this is the content protection system, only HDMI (as it supports HDCP) will work for HD.
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MikeC
Tuesday 8 June 2010 11:33AM
Interesting experience yesterday. My neighbour had a sky dish fitted adjacent to my motorised 85cm mesh dish.

I left my Technomate 6900 HD Super combi on to ensure there was no upsetting of my dish etc. - and all seemed ok - but when the sky fitter had finished and was completing securing my neighbours wiring - I noticed that i was getting audio / video error messages on all my sat positions / channels- including Freesat at 28.2°E.

i asked the sky dish fitter if he had touched my dish or affected any of the wires - which he confirmed he hadn't - but did say he would have blocked my signal for a time and to switch my kit off at the mains and allow reboot. Sure enough - all was restored ok and working when this was done.

Why would blocking of my signal cause this effect - needing a reboot to clear?
Briantist
Wednesday 9 June 2010 7:00AM
MikeC: Very odd, you don't usually need to do more than move out of the way of the dish.
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john
Thursday 10 June 2010 5:31PM
help, i have not been able to receive freesat on my konig sdfta11 satellite receiver .when i do a blind scan on astra 2, dish is at 28.2 deg east 22deg up. all i get is arabic ,german,italian ,french,ect.do i have to buy freesat receiver or is it my lnb?the instruction book is a joke.can you help me thanks. john
Briantist
Thursday 10 June 2010 6:13PM
John: Sounds like you are not point at 28.2 degrees, sounds more like 19.2 to me.
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satandpcguy
Thursday 10 June 2010 6:49PM
Rob Davies:
you can get ITV1 with no problems in Valencia on your 80cm dish.
You wil need a Sky box and a sky card (freesatfromsky card - £20 in the UK).
You can then get those ITV1 regions on frequency 12402 and 11973 (and C4s on 12480!)
This is beacuse these regions are NOT on Atsra 2d, but on other satellites in the same group. These other satellites have a more "generous" signal footprint and makes it easy to receive on an 80cm dish - I can and I am 70kms south of Valencia - those ITV1 regions on 11973 have a similar reception to Sky News!!!!!
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satandpcguy
Thursday 10 June 2010 6:51PM
Rob Davies: its the free to air - no sky card required - versions of ITV that require a big dish...but reception around Valencia varies a great deal
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john
Thursday 10 June 2010 9:18PM
Hi

Thanks. We've adjusted the angle to get the best signal and we're pretty sure we are pointing at 28.2 degrees east, but still not getting BBC (except for BBC World news) or any freesat channels etc, but getting loads more German channels. In the options, it isn't possible to select Astra 2D separately, I have to select 'Astra 2A, 2B and 2D' - are these separate satellites, or all the same? Alos, can a free to air satellite receiver actually receive freesat signals on a blind scan?
Briantist
Thursday 10 June 2010 10:17PM
john: BBC World news is NEVER carried on 23.2/23.5 degrees.

Selecting a satellite on the receiver does not align the dish, and as all satellite use the same group of frequencies you will channels whatever you select.
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satandpcguy
Friday 11 June 2010 6:53AM
john:
BBC World means that you are still probably on Astra 1 at 19 east, and not the Astra 2 group at 28.2 east.

The satellites that carry UK TV are Astra 2a, 2b, 2d and Eurobird 1. The free to air / freesat main UK TV channels (BBC, ITV) are carried on Astra 2d.

A free to air receiver will get the same channels as a freesat receiver, as a freesat receiver is basically a free to air receiver! The only difference is that the free to air reeciver will not get the 8 day programme guide or the red button text services, wheree a freesat box will.
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john
Friday 11 June 2010 10:07AM
Hi

Thanks for your advice. I've been using a compass at 28.2 degrees east of south to align the angle of the dish. As for the elevation, I've been using the markings on the dish at about 22 degrees elevation. Is this where I'm getting confused, should this be at 28.2 degrees? I have tried the dish is lots of different angles, but obviuosly I'm missing the spot.

Thanks again



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