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Freesat reception - all about dishes

Satellite reception has both advantages and disadvantages compared with terrestrial (aerial) reception.

Satellite reception has both advantages and disadvantages compa
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Satellite reception has both advantages and disadvantages compare with terrestrial (aerial) reception.

By using much higher frequencies (gigahertz, compared to terrestrial televisions megahertz) more transmission channels called transponders (the satellite equivalent of multiplexes) can be provided. For example, there are only six Freeview multiplexes, but Sky or Freesat users can access two hundred satellite transponders.

Aside from exceptional weather conditions (very heavy rain for example) digital satellite provides stable pictures and audio. Where Freeview transmitters are no more than 732 metres above sea level, the geostationary satellites used for television are 35,800,000 metres above the equator so reception is possible even where buildings, trees and hills make terrestrial reception impossible.



The downside of the transmitters being 22,300 miles up in the air is that the signals are very, very weak - so standard TV aerial is of little use. When the signals are sent to the satellites, huge dish transmitters are used to uplink the signal to the satellite. These are tens of metres from side to side, and feature an emitter that generates the signal, which is first bounced of a mirror (called a reflector) and then off the surface of the parabolic dish.



There are many satellites in the sky over the equator. Often these are in clusters over a particular position, for example there are four used for UK television are at 28.2 degrees east. There is another cluster over the 19.2 degrees east positions that are used for German television.

To receive these very weak signals from the satellite, it is necessary to use a dish for reception too. By using a reflective dish, this concentrates the signals onto a small device called a LNB. This is held in front of the dish by a metal arm.



The size of dish for reception is typically much smaller; often 60cm to 100cm in diameter, but the exact size depends upon the transmitting satellite transponder. To keep the transmission power levels down to levels that can be powered by the satellite's solar panels, each beam is focused on a particular area of the Earth's surface. If you are trying to receive the signal at the centre of this zone, a small dish is required. At the outer edges, you may need a 5 metre dish. Maps of these zones are provided by the satellite companies, and are called satellite footprints.

When the dish is installed it must be aligned carefully as the signal is very weak. The installer needs to know the inclination and the azimuth from the ground location to the satellite. If you install yourself you will find that there are markings on the dish that are used to point the dish in the correct position. It is important that the view of the satellite will not be blocked, so must take into account leaves growing on trees and potential building works.

For many people the LNB will have a single cable connected to it, however if you have Sky+ or a multi-room installation the LNB package will actually contain four receivers a quad-LNB. Unlike terrestrial television where you can split the aerial cable to feed more than one Freeview box or television set, with satelite reception you cannot. So, a Sky+ box with two receivers (so you can watch one thing and record another) has two cables connecting the box to the dish.

The cable that connects the dish to the receiver must be satellite grade cable. Whilst this looks superficially like the cable used to connect and aerial to a television, a higher grade cable is required for satellite reception.

Here is an image of a co-axial cable. This sort of cable is used to connect any type of receiving aerial to the reception equipment.



RG6, PF100 and PH100 are all types of coax cable that are suitable for the very weak signals that are received by a satellite dish. (The power is the same as you would receive from a one-bar electric heater on the moon).

The conductor in the centre passes the signals received from the dish to the set-top box. This is made from steel in RG6 cable, and from copper in the RF100 and PH100 types. This makes RG6 less suitable in the UK where rain can damage the cable.

The shielding is responsible for keeping unwanted external interference from damaging the signal. In the cheaper cable this will be a foil wrap, in better specified cables this is a braid (or mesh) of copper wires. The sheild in the RF100 covers 58% of the cable.

The non-conducting layer between the shield and the conductor is called the dielectric. This can be either a solid (RG6), foam (RF100) or air-spaced (PH100) dielectric. This makes the cables progressively more flexible (ie bendy without damage).







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Ian Grice
Tuesday 14 November 2006 11:05PM
Dose a biger dish mean better reception?

I know this is like saying how long is a piece of string but what I was thinking was this. I have a standard sky mini dish somtimes in bad weather or for no reason at all the picture freezes for a few seconds or starts to pixulate. more prone on some stations than others, so would a biger dish make any diferance? Im in the midlands LE100NS
Briantist
Wednesday 15 November 2006 12:50PM
The larger the surface area of the dish, the more signal it can reflect into the LNB, so the more stable the TV picture and sound. A bigger dish would certainly make a difference, but situations such as torrential rain will degrade the signal beyound what a domestic sized dish can compensate for.
Ian Grice
Wednesday 15 November 2006 4:08PM
Ok thanks for that. Have you heard anything about these flat dishes with no arm? I found them on the internet once but cant remember where they wer a narow oblong about 1 meter long.
Briantist
Wednesday 15 November 2006 4:29PM
Ah, the old Squarial idea...
Ian Grice
Wednesday 15 November 2006 9:35PM
Sort of yes. how do these things work?
Ian Grice
Wednesday 15 November 2006 11:20PM
Are ther any plans for Channel 4 and 5 to go on the free sat list (no card needed)

I ask because all the small free to air sat boxes have no card slot.
Briantist
Thursday 16 November 2006 1:41PM
Ian: they work as a network of 1000s of tiny receivers, rather than one receiver with a concentrating reflective dish. Channel 4 and five are supposed to be part of the BBC/ITV Freesat project which has been put on hold for another year.
Niki
Sunday 19 November 2006 6:15PM
I wish to cancel my Sky + package and have instead bought a new DVD player with a built in hard drive and built in freeview. The only problem now is that I do not have any connections to an external aerial and I cannot not get any decent digital connection with an internal aerial. Can I plug in my original sky lead and use my sky dish as an external TV digital ariel? I just thought this would save me alot of hassle and money.
US
Briantist
Sunday 19 November 2006 11:08PM
Niki: you need a satellite receiver to work with a satellite dish, and a Freeview box only works with an aerial, the systems are not interoperable.
Brando
Sunday 26 November 2006 5:15PM
Hi,your Freeview will not work with an indoor ariel, you need a top quality outdoor one usually an upgrade of normal ones. I have an ON Digital box and recieve channel 4 & 5 + sky news and sky3 and all terrestrial channels. You can obtain most sky channels if you contact TOPUP TV who will sell youvarious sky pakages from £9.99/month quite a saving compared to sky.
GB
Ian Grice
Sunday 24 December 2006 12:39AM Hinckley
do a google search on Cubsat, cubesat, digicube and DigiGlobe. for satellite dishes that are in Disguise. Great if you are not alowed one.
Graham Ireland
Saturday 30 December 2006 4:43PM Wirral
I had been with sky for a number of years.
I cancelled my subscription on 21/11/6. Now all I get through the digibox is an on screen message detailing " No Satellite Signal Being Received". Is it just coincidence that on 20/11/6 (when the subscription was still extant) the satellite signal was just fine but a day later (when the subscription was determined) there is mysteriously no signal being received and Sky maintain it is the equipment that is faulty?
Briantist
Saturday 30 December 2006 8:26PM
Graham Ireland: try removing your card and powering the box off. Wait 30 seconds and re-apply the power, but do not insert the card. If the 998 Welcome channel is seen, only then insert the card. When you cancel your subscription you keep the free channels.
Bill
Friday 5 January 2007 10:16PM Loughborough
How well do indoor sat receivers work in the Midlands, providing line of sight is no problem?
Briantist
Friday 5 January 2007 10:49PM
Bill: which one were you thinking of?
Bill
Friday 5 January 2007 10:54PM Loughborough
Nothing specific. Just one that can be used indoors where line of sight is no problem.
Briantist
Friday 5 January 2007 11:04PM

Bill: If it will work, I can't see your location making much difference as the Astra 2 footprint for the UK is more or less the same for the whole of the country.


Astra 2 North


Astra 2 South


Astra 2D


David overall
Wednesday 7 February 2007 2:32PM London
Hi, Great site. What about the cheaper (£70 or so) satellite dishes and receiver sets that Maplin sell? Can these be used for Freesat? Or do you have to get the £150 kit from Sky?
Briantist
Thursday 8 February 2007 11:25AM
David overall: yes, they can be used for Freesat. However, you can't use the FreesatfromSky card to provide Channel 4 and five.
alan
Friday 16 March 2007 1:14PM
i can getfreeview in my living room but not in my bedroom they are both conected to the same aerial
US
Chris Joyce
Thursday 29 March 2007 9:06AM Ballindalloch
I have a old Hotbird satellite system with an 80cm dish. I want to use it to recieve freeview.
It picks up Hotbird fine, but when I try to pick up other satellites I get nothing. Do I need to change the LNB, the reciever, or is the elivation different? what is the correct bearing for Freeview? (I have a seperate Sky set up and that works OK). I live in the north of Scotland (AB37 9JN)
T I Bull
Thursday 29 March 2007 9:18AM
Does a Freesat Card costing about £20 work with a Sky Plus Box (I have cancelled my Sky Subscription).
GB
Briantist
Thursday 29 March 2007 11:24AM
T I Bull: there is no need to buy a card for your Sky+ box, your existing card will do the same as the £20 card. But if you REALLY want to buy one, yes, but you still don't get any Sky+ operations. See www.ukfree.tv link icon I am terminating my Sky subscription, do I need to order a free-to-view card? | ukfree.tv - get free UK television
Briantist
Thursday 29 March 2007 11:28AM
Chris Joyce: As there are lots of Hotbird satellites, it's hard to say. You would, to be honest, probably have better results fitting a quad-LNB to your existing Sky dish and using the other outputs for that for Freesat. (Note also, Freesat is not Freeview).
Chris Joyce
Friday 30 March 2007 11:20AM Ballindalloch
Hi Thanks for your quick response, but it realy is of no help.
The Sky setup is on my house, and the Old Hotbird system is about 300m away on my workshop. I notice that you have Mentioned Astra 2 N,S & D are thoes the stellites carrying the FreeSat chanells? if so could you tell me their orbital position or positions? Also what Band do they use, I seem to recall that my LNB is "K" band.
Martin Wheatley
Tuesday 3 April 2007 8:44PM
I am in a block of flats where the lease does not allow me to have an external aerial but want to get a FTA satellite signal. I am on the South coast and do have a balcony with line of site to Astra
This would mean the dish being behind glass. Is there a realistic chance that I would get a usable signal?
Freeview is not an alternative as there no Freeview signal in this area (I can't even get Channel 5!).
GB
Briantist
Wednesday 4 April 2007 10:26AM
Chris Joyce: UK Freesat is on Astra 2A (N&S beams), 2B (N&S beams)and 2D - the orbital position is 28.2 degrees east, and K band of course.
Briantist
Wednesday 4 April 2007 10:27AM
Martin Wheatley: it is POSSIBLE to get a signal from behind glass, but it's not recommened. You may need a larger dish than you would outside.
Rory O'Connor
Friday 13 April 2007 2:47PM
I notice that the Astra 2 south beam footprint doesn't quite extend to Crete. Is it possible to pick up signals from this satellite using a larger dish.
Briantist
Friday 13 April 2007 3:29PM
Rory O'Connor: Yes, but you may need a 2 meter dish.
STANLEY NYQUIST
Saturday 14 April 2007 2:46PM
Been living abroad for some time, my self all my expats friends would like to have BBC 1,2. Is there any chance of us getting BBC without having to go to the expense of buying a 3 m dish. The majority would gladly pay a licence fee to the BBC, could you give me any information, how we could receive a wonderful BBC abroad
SE
Briantist
Sunday 15 April 2007 10:23AM

STANLEY NYQUIST: The BBC services are on the Astra 2D satellite, which is focused on the UK. Payment of a licence fee or otherwise can't change this!


Barbara
Sunday 15 April 2007 11:56AM Newtownabbey
Great site! I however am still at a loss as to which digital service to choose. I live in BT370ZN and currently have analogue which also receives RTE which I don't want to lose. I am buying a new TV with freeview and HD. Should I go for digital aerial, Freesat or Sky? I really would prefer to have no subscription charges but will put up with this if necessary!
Briantist
Sunday 15 April 2007 1:12PM
Barbara: If you can get a digital signal from Divis then this will work fine, and it's always worth getting a TV with a digital tuner, because it will work at some stage (even if it's 2012). If you want to watch HD, satellite is the only option, but you may wish to wait until BBC Freesat launches, as this may have HDTV, which FreesatfromSky does not.
tracy
Tuesday 17 April 2007 7:30PM
Hi Brian, my parents want to get freesat for their caravan in Welshpool , problem is there is a tree right where the dish would have to point, so a very weak signal, there is another dish that can be used, but the landowner will not let them cut a trench to lay wires, is there a inexpensive wireless option?
GB
Dave
Tuesday 17 April 2007 9:50PM
Hello,
I have been given an old Pace Prima analogue receiver and a dish to go with it. Is it possible to use any of this equipment to receive freesat? What might I need to upgrade? or should I just dump the lot and start again? In which case can you offer any advice on best/cheapest options? I am not in a Freeview or cable area and therefore only have satellite as an option.
Many thanks in advance.
Dave L
GB
Briantist
Wednesday 18 April 2007 7:22AM
tracy: no, it is not possible to send the signal from the satellite dish to the receiver without wires.
Briantist
Wednesday 18 April 2007 7:24AM
Dave: You might be able to use the dish, but the receiver is useless. You can either get FreesatfromSky, or wait a little while for the BBCs HDTV Freesat Service.
brian scott clee
Friday 20 April 2007 12:21PM
i have a pace box,skydigibox.model no.bskyb2200.and original dish ,willi be able to connect up to my tele at my caravan and recieve freeview chanels..do i need the sky card or will any other type of card do i no longer subscribe to sky.
GB
Briantist
Friday 20 April 2007 2:05PM
brian scott clee: there is no reason in theory why it won't work (assuming you have mains power). Please see this link for the list of channels on Freesat: www.ukfree.tv link icon All free-to-watch channels | ukfree.tv - get free UK television
Dev Singh
Thursday 26 April 2007 10:11AM
I already have sky digital (not multiroom) which is wired so I can receive sky on all TV's in the house. I would also like to have freesat available on all TV's in the house so that, for instance, the children can watch CBeebies while I watch Sky Sports. Do I need a new dish and receiver or can the old dish and receiver be modified and used? Also, will the existing remote eye work with freesat?
GB
Briantist
Thursday 26 April 2007 12:41PM
Dev Singh: If you want select different channels in different rooms you need to have a digibox with each TV, then a satellite-grade cable to the dish from each digibox AND change the LNB on the end of the dish's arm to a four-output Quad-LNB. This will drive four set-top boxes. The remote eye would be redundant.
Richard Alderson
Sunday 29 April 2007 4:02PM Barnoldswick
A digital Tv (Freeview) has just been purchased. Will this be compatible with FreeSat from Sky? Similarly, HDTV Freesat service? Postcode BB18 5RB
Briantist
Sunday 29 April 2007 4:43PM
Richard Alderson: The satellite and terrestrial set top boxes cannot be interchanged. Your TV needs to me marked "HD Ready" and have a DVI or HDMI input to work with satellite HD. You can plug a FreesatfromSky box into any TV. BBC Freesat service, yes, launches next Spring.
Debs
Monday 30 April 2007 12:29PM
I have just cancelled my supscription with Sky and would like to know how I go about obtaining Freesat. Will I be able to use my existing Sky dish etc. Any info would be appreciated.
GB
Briantist
Monday 30 April 2007 2:43PM
Debs: Your box revert to Freesat when the subscription ends.
Michael Conway
Thursday 10 May 2007 5:24PM
Can i receive Freesat in Spain in particular in the city of Leon, in the region of Castilla y Leon.
Since the BBC are no longer broadcasting
short wave radio to western Europe, I have no way of keeping in touch with
english news and as Freesat also provides radio as well as BBC TV this seems a practicle to receive english tv and radio in Spain
GB
Briantist
Friday 11 May 2007 12:55PM
Michael Conway: Yes, but you need a large dish!
Jim Fomes
Saturday 12 May 2007 2:26PM
How do I physically purchase a Sky Freesat Card?[I know from Sky ! but where from Sky] Regards Jim
GB
Jim Fomes
Saturday 12 May 2007 8:17PM
Many thanks for that Info!1 Regards jim
GB
Keith Kirtland
Sunday 20 May 2007 9:48AM Gillingham
Having just purchased a new HD television I am disappointed with te reception to Freeview channels via my newly instyalled digital aerial. Would Freesat provide me with a higher quality signal and reception?
Briantist
Sunday 20 May 2007 4:14PM
Keith Kirtland: The bitrates on satellite are much the same as for Freeview, unless you wish to pay for a HD service. However, the BBC and ITV Freesat next spring will have free-to-air HD.



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