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Your ability of receive all the Freeview transmissions depends on the suitability of aerial
the design style,
the "group", and
its physical location.
Standard type - Yagi aerial
The standard type of TV aerial is known as the Yagi aerial. It is mounted on a pole, and consists of a rod with a reflector (shown green) at the back and many spiky elements (in grey) at the front. The connecting cable connects to the element nearest the reflector, known as the driver (shown in blue).
These Yagi aerials are directional and so pick up signals best from a transmitter that the rod points towards. The more elements the aerial has, the better it picks up a signal and becomes more directional.
A standard-type aerial is all that is required for analogue TV reception in most places. These antennae have between 10 and 18 elements and a single reflector. These are not recommended for new installations for good digital television reception, but will more often than not function perfectly in good reception areas.
Typically these aerials are designed to receive only some transmission frequencies - see "groups" below.
Digital High Gain
These aerials are designed for poor digital reception areas, and have two reflectors. For maximum signal strength, some digital high gain aerials have up to 100 elements. A more expensive aerial is only required where the signal strength is low, but can often provide Freeview reception where it might otherwise be impossible.
The CAI (that represents aerial installers) has four standards for digital TV aerials. The highest standard "1" is for homes on the fringes of coverage areas, intermediate standard "2" is suitable for use within the coverage area; minimum standard "3" is for good coverage conditions.
These aerials can be either wideband, or receive only selected frequencies - see "groups" below.
Grid
Grid aerials have been used to improve analogue reception in poor reception areas. They are generally unsuitable for Freeview reception, however some installations may work. Otherwise replace with a digital high gain Yagi aerial.
Indoor
Indoor aerials are generally not suitable for Freeview reception. In areas of good signal strength it is often possible to receive some transmissions.
Loft mounted
Loft mounted arrivals are not generally recommended for Freeview reception, as the roof tiles and plumbing will degrade the signal. Some compensation for this loss of signal can be made by using satellite-grade cable to connect the set top box to the aerial.
Positioning
The best position for a TV aerial is mounted outdoors, as high from the ground as possible, pointing directly at the transmitter. The signal can be blocked by hills and tall buildings. It should be positioned away from any other aerials.
Horizontal or vertical?
The transmitter will either use vertical mode which requires the elements of your aerial to be up-down, or horizontal mode which requires them to be level with the ground.
Groups
Both analogue and digital television is transmitted the same group of transmission frequencies (known as channel 21 through to 68). A coloured marking on the aerial shows the group.
To create the best possible analogue picture, TV transmissions from adjacent transmitters have been designated to several different groups of frequencies. By using an aerial that receives only the channels in the correct group, the analogue picture can be kept free from interference.
To receive Freeview transmissions from the same transmitter it has been sometimes necessary to use frequencies that are not part of the transmitter's normal group. When this has occurred, the aerial will need to be replaced with a "wideband" aerial (also known as group W) - one that covers every group.
Your comments are always welcome. Please use the form below to add your thoughts or questions to this page. We will get back to you as soon as we can.
Sarah Wednesday 4 January 2012 8:07PM London
Dave Lindsay: i will experiment. there are some large trees at the side of the house but it doesn't need to be perfect as there not the main TV's
Thanks for your help
jb38: i have freeview TV downstairs which does work with an amplified aerial but as i said half the channels are missing. so i will wait and how that responds before i decide what i
need to do.
I usually use a loft aerial, but I have sometimes used it on the first floor. I am 25 miles from Emley Moor and obtained good reception on digital channels before switchover. I have line of sight at roof level.
There can't be any guarantees, but I'd certainly give it a shot.
Sarah: Yes! best policy, at just under 6 miles from a 200Kw transmitter you might even suffer from the effects of an over powerful signal if you elaborate to much with your aerial system, this based on what you are getting at present, as many people located at that type of distance from a powerful transmitter find that they can even get reception with a short piece of wire pushed into the TV's or boxes aerial socket, not of course that I am advocating that being done!
alan steer: Not if you are thinking along the lines of using it for reception of any signals other than from a Satellite, that said though some have been known to use a single wire connection to the end of the cable to receive normal (AM/FM/SW) radio broadcasts, as it would then just perform in exactly the same way as would a length of ordinary cable pushed into an aerial socket.
That is the only thing you can do with it. Except perhaps as a baseball target or art object.
If you mean TERRESTIAL TV, not unless you have so strong a signal that you don't need a proper aerial, and even then a Sketchley Loop will probably do better.
Hi all
I have a TV and recordable Freeviewbox both which were causing me no issues regarding reception (although ch4, E4 and More4 were a bit ropey). As of a couple of weeks ago some channels (ITV, 4, E4, Ch5 have moved to the 800's and I have lost reception of these channels completely through the TV but not through the Freeview box (where the channels have remained the same)
Also my DAB radio keeps cutting out after 10-20 mins whereas before it rarely did.
Hope someone can help as this is driving me nuts!
Hi, in response to these people's quetions, may I add that AFTER the digital switchover in the UK in April 2012 ALL Freeview signals will be much stronger. I myself are in a strong signal area, but use just a loft ariel and cheap-plug in signal booster. I CAN receive MOST of the Freeview channels with this set up, using my combi freeview box connected to a standardscart-TV (NON-HD TV or anything like that).
In response to questions regarding satellite dishes, may I add you need a separate standard rooftop or high-gain ariel to receive Terrestial TV or Freeview. To run Freesat and Freeview at the same time for example you would need BOTH a satellite dish AND a rooftop ariel, ideally. Along with this you would ALSO need either a scart switcher connected to the 2 boxes with scart leads andor an LNB signal splitter, since one signal is DVB-T (terrestial) and the other is DVB-S (satellite).
Daniel: You cannot (easily anyway) split an LNB signal, as a satellitebox sends instructions (voltages) to the LNB regarding polarity (H or V) changing hence terrestrial and satellite are technically incompatible as far as their actual reception side is concerned, as so its only their analogue scart output signals than can be switched between each.
Steve P: No there isn't any! I was really correcting the part of the statement referring to an LNB splitter, which doesn't actually exist as such albeit there is a device called a stacker around £80.00 or so than can feed two "satellite" signals down one cable, and a device that's critical in use to the extent that it really requires CT100 cable to be used for satisfactory operation.
As regards to latter comment, yes Sky+ boxes as well as Freesat recorders use twin inputs from either a dual or a quad block, but no matter what the type each of its oututs are totally independent of each other as though they were separate units bunched together.
I have to say that your explanation about different aerials is somewaht confusing. Firstly you say that Yagi aerials would not normally be used for new digital installions then further down (under grids) you say that a high=gain Yagi should be used! You talk about signal groups, including wideband, but give no examples of what these aerials look like! How can you identify a wideband aerial!!!
Mike: A widebandaerial at first sight does not look any different to a "grouped" aerial. The actual difference would be in the length and spacing of the rods, which affects the frequencies at which the aerial performs correctly. The original yagi design has dimensions which are based on the wavelength of the frequency that it is supposed to receive. A "grouped" aerial is a compromise worked out to cover a small range of frequencies by tweaking the length and spacing of the rods. For example Group "A" covers C21 to C37. A "wideband" aerial is a bigger compromise, designed to cover, in the case of domestic TV reception, the frequencies of C21 to C68. The downside of covering all the available frequencies is a general reduction in the gain for the particular size of aerial. The reference to an aerial not normally fitted in new installations is a type commonly called a "contract" aerial. This is a yagi fitted with a single plate reflector, as in the basic example at the top of the page. The type of yagi which would be fitted is the one shown in the second set of illustrations, the reflector being in two sections. Variations to the yagi design are the tri-boom and X-beam types also depicted in the second set of illustrations. The group of the aerial is often indicated by a coloured plastic stopper inserted at the end of the boom. Red=A, yellow=B, green=C/D, brown=E, grey=K and black=W (wideband). The group is otherwise shown by a sticker, or letter stamped on the aerial.
Brian - Mike has a point. The wording below may confuse the uninitiated?
A standard-type aerial is all that is required for analogue TV reception in most places. These antennae have between 10 and 18 elements and a single reflector. These are not recommended for new installations for good digital television reception, but will more often than not function perfectly in good reception areas.
PETER: As your query concerns reception it would obviously be of assistance to know your location, preferably in the form of a post code as this would enable signal checking.
However, as the BBC (anywhere) is generally always the guaranteed to receive channel, then unless the transmitter was down when you first scanned I would be inclined to re-set your TV or box and carry out another scan.
Hi, I wonder if someone can help please. I have just moved into a flat (rented) and have three arial cables:
1) Looks like a F connecter
2) Box with both 'TV' and 'Sat' on it. (I've tried the tv and it doesn't work)
3) Normal tv ariel lead.
I want to plug my freeview box in ideally to the f connector lead as it's in the living room, but I can't work out what connector I need to hook it up to the freeview box. (the box has male and female points)
Can anyone advise please? I would be eternally grateful
Joy: The "F" connector you see was likely used by the previous occupier having either Sky or Freesat, obviously this lead not being any use for Freeview, so if that's the only one in the living room then you will require to make some alterations.
Regarding the box referred to, what brand / model do you see printed on it? an when you say "normal TV lead" are you referring to one of the cables, and if so, was it this one you used to try out your Freeview box?
If the box you refer to is indeed an operational Satellite box then you might not require your Freeview box, as all you require to do is couple the box into your TV via the scart connectors.
Anyway, if you could give an update on the model of box further advice can then be given.
Hi can i get some help from the aerial riggers on this site. I have just come back from a recall i fitted an lp45 log periodic aerial down to a class a splitter in the front room short lead and a run to back room signal strength on all multiplexs is 70 to 77 dbuv after the splitter ( not amplifer) the problem is the picture is breaking up very bad on the samsung own signal strength it is going to 10 on the quality it should be 0. Have changed the aerial to a sr12 yagi type aerial this seems to have cured the problem. What i want to know is what could be causing the problem . Other information no trees in the way and i can see winter hill from the roof cable changed when the job was done last week, any help would go down great .
Mazbar: On reading your posting there was two little points I wondered about, these being, when you say that the signal on the Samsung is breaking up very badly is this on all channels? and if it isn't, then have you verified (by channel number checking) that the Samsung is receiving all of its compliment of six muxes from Winter Hill and not picking some up from elsewhere? something which isn't entirely impossible on looking at the reception predictions for that area, Moel y Parc and Llanddona being two of the possibilities particularly the former.
Just to clarify, on your latest posting are you meaning that the change of aerial has made no difference? and finally isn't there another TV in the house that can be used to assess performance?
Mazbar: Meant also to include, that although you will probably have them to hand anyway but the multiplexes used by Winter Hill are Ch's 62 - 59 - 54(HD)- 58 - 61 - 55, there is a very local channel called "Men" on 1Kw but you might not receive that at 15mls.
KMJ: Thanks for your explanation of aerials, we clearly have a contract one. Delayed response since I couldnt find my way back to section I had posted my original comment!
Mazbar: Well now you have confirmed these important points I suppose you have to look at the situation logically, insomuch that "if" you are certain that your installation is sound but are getting these results from a transmitter that can actually be seen (albeit @ 15 miles) then the problem has to be caused by something out with your control, so in cases like that the first thing to do is enquire with the persons next door neighbours to find out if they have similar problems with reception, if though they don't then apart from some localised interference occurring then the location of your aerial could be unfortunately positioned in a signal dip spot where its subject to reflections, something quite commonly found in 360 degree testing from a mast, this where loft aerials score as they can be moved in the horizontal plane to compensate.
That being said though, if on the other hand the signal is indeed excessive then the attenuator I note that you tried might not be sufficient, so cant you connect a short lead onto the log that you originally fitted (which should have been ok) and couple that straight into the TV? as if you can manage to point in the direction of the station (in same room as TV) then that should pick it up if the signal is a bit over the top.
The other factor is, that if you say this problem is across all channels (multiplexes?) then that effectively excludes RF interference from other distant transmitters, so as you will gather there isn't a straight answer to the problem experienced as it requires a level of on site investigation / testing to determine the exact cause.
Jb going back on sunday the mast is only very short about 2ft as that was all that was needed so i'm going to try a 5 ft mast and replace the coax if this dosnt work god only knows what im going to do
Mazbar: Well although you could try another length of mounting pole I am very doubtful if it will make any difference, especially if the aerial presently has a reasonably clear view towards the transmitter, as signal variations of the beneficial are usually always as the result of making adjustments in the horizontal plane, which of course are not an easy option with a chimney or roof mounted aerial in general.
I would definitely make a couple of local enquiries whilst you are at the location, just in case if by any chance you have unwittingly ventured into a not too obvious black spot for reception, as I did notice when looking at the two reception predictors, both of which always having to be taken with the usual pinch of salt, that the UK Digital TV predictor (ex- Wolfbane) and DTG's are a bit at odds with each other, as although DTG gives a glowing indication for reception at L39 the former indicates Winter Hill with the lowest dBu/Vm of all, even although the TX powers are correct suggesting up to date information.
Another aspect exists though, that of your statement that changing the aerial had made a difference only later to discover that it hadn't, as this would suggest an erratic element attached to the problem, this being the difficulty with what you are attempting as any changes observed may only be temporary, this why its best to check on local reception in case you are flogging the proverbial dead horse!
Mazbar: That being the case then you will have to double check all you have done, plus the possibility of localised interference originating from within the property, and I am referring more to mains borne interference from devices with faulty chattering thermostat switches, like heaters / hot water tank systems / fridges / freezers, or alternatively other electrical devices with brush type motors, e.g: sewing machines and such likes.
Mazbar: Plus a good aid to detecting mains borne interference is by the use of a small portable radio that has medium or long wave bands on it, just switch it on and select LW, or if no LW then MW but tune it towards the 500Khz end of the scale but "not" on a station, then with the volume turned up a bit try sitting the radio near to a socket or any power cables feeding same, because if any device is causing mains borne interference it will show up as a loud purring or banging noise on the radio, don't sit it near to an LCD TV though, as some of these can create loud rippling noises on MW.
Alternatively, you could just try tests sitting it beside one of the devices referred to as possible sources of interference.
Sit sep customer called last night to tell me he had a new tv delivered and everything seemed ok i dont think so but i will wait and see. Went to another customer there itv was breaking up changed everything nothing helped put a set top box everything fine i have all the luck
ive just brought a view quest pdvd7d portable 7" portable dvd tv to use on my fishing trips it says its dvb-t and has built in freeview. it only has a small 4" ariel and i cant get a signal. what can i do to get a signal. theres no power obviously to plug a mains booster in and cant take a huge ariel with me. any ideas????
ian ayres: Freeview reception requires a rooftop aerial. If you were sold such a device being told you could use it in the way you describe, I would take it back and demand a refund.
ian ayres: The problem is that water tends to be low down which is where (generally speaking) signals are at their lowest. And the whip antenna is very poor and will only work in the strongest areas. And it's usually only mounted vertically (many areas require horizontal aerials).
It really does depend on where you are as to what your chances are. Set-top aerials by their very nature are smaller and therefore less sensitive than the ones you put outside. There are no guarantees of success; all you can do is take steps to increase your chances within the bounds of any restrictions such as the size of the aerial.
It's probably impractical to mount something like this on a pole or stick into the ground:
Personally, for a set-top aerial I would always go for one that is directional, polarised and does NOT incorporate an amplifier. Basically, they're ones that look like smaller versions of the types you see on roof-tops. You can point in one particular direction, are flat and can be mounted horizontally or vertically depending on the transmitter being received from.
I suggest that you might well need to raise it above the ground by fixing it on to the end of a stick or pole. You might need a short aerial extension such as those supplied with video recorders.
Knowing the transmitter(s) in the area is useful. You might be able to tune in the TV beforehand in a location where you can receive from the transmitter that best serves the location you intend to fish (if any). The thing with tuning a TV is that you need to be in a location where the signal can be received in order to tune to it. But to put your aerial where it will pick up a signal, you need your TV to be tuned so you can move the aerial to best effect.
Mobile phones in close proximity are likely to interfere when they are transmitting.
russell Jones Tuesday 31 January 2012 5:59PM New Tredegar
hi, I live in the new tredegar,gwent area and I am only able to pick up basic freeview progs(on a freeview t.v....not a set top box ).I have the same arial as when analogue was transmitted.It is pointing toward the Rhymney transmitter.Would purchasing a different arial help,and if so which arial should I buy ?
Chris: Yes, the power at Midhurst will be increased at switchover. You are however only predicted to have variable reception from this transmitter, meaning that different positions of the aerial could make a lot of difference to whether you receive a reliable signal or not. The best reception from Midhurst is shown for mux BBCA which enters service on 29th February 2012 on C55. The remaining muxes adopt high power working on 14th March 2012. Your best predicted reception is shown as being from Hannington, aerial pointing W. This transmitter has DSO on 8th February 2012 for mux BBCA, with the remaining muxes changing frequency on 14th March 2012. Note that the low power antenna will be used by SDN until 4th April 2012 and ArqA and ArqB until 18th April 2012.
On 29th February, BBC Two analogue will be switched off and on the same UHF channel will go the full power BBC standard definition services. Then the rest of the analogue channels are turned off two weeks later.
The latest Ofcom document shows that some services will be on low power for a period and that others will be subject to reactive power decrease if necessary. It is probably worth being aware of this as if you are in a poor signal area, it could affect you:
BBC A (BBC standard definition TV & radio) Ch55 @ 20kW but with "a reactive power decrease to 10kW is an option if required".
D3&4 (ITV1, C4, C5 etc) Ch61 @ 20kW, as BBC (reactive decrease to 10kW).
BBC B (HD services) Ch58 @ 20kW. No reactive power, so will be at full power.
SDN (ITV3 etc) Ch62 @ 10kW. No reactive power, so will be at full power.
Arq A (Pick TV etc) Ch59 @ 10kW. Until 20th June there will be a reactive power to 5kW if required.
Arq B (Yesterday etc) Ch50 @ 10kW. Until 25th April, this will be at 1kW.
John Turley Sunday 5 February 2012 10:41AM Lowestoft
I have two tv's one has a freeviewbox I receive all channels. The other has built in freeview. I retuned the latter because channel 11 was missing, got it but lost ITV 1 Ch4 and channels 5 and 6. Retuned 4-5 times with no change. ???